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Southport do have a handful of Commanders, 2505??, 2586, 2587, 2622 and 2624.

It does seem that Southport has been dealt a dismal hand. These are very small buses for an already much depleted network of town services. The Runcorn busway does seem a more natural choice or Birkenhead for the likes of the 409, 492, 495 etc.

I would imagine the 47 will remain the current mix of Enviro400s and Pulsars. This route has generally been majority decker-operated for several months now and I don't see why the gradual emergence from lockdown would change that.

It is such a shame looking back that the great bus switch around of 2018 never emerged which would have seen Southport gain additional Enviro400s for the 47. The 375/385 has been a cruel mistress to Southport's Enviro400s as they ride particularly badly, even allowing for ADL's questionable build quality!

Regarding the Commander allocation, 2505 is at Runcorn while 2624 doesn't seem to get out much at the moment.

(04/08/2020 12:30)H101GEV Wrote: [ -> ]It does seem that Southport has been dealt a dismal hand. These are very small buses for an already much depleted network of town services. The Runcorn busway does seem a more natural choice or Birkenhead for the likes of the 409, 492, 495 etc.

I would imagine the 47 will remain the current mix of Enviro400s and Pulsars. This route has generally been majority decker-operated for several months now and I don't see why the gradual emergence from lockdown would change that.

It is such a shame looking back that the great bus switch around of 2018 never emerged which would have seen Southport gain additional Enviro400s for the 47. The 375/385 has been a cruel mistress to Southport's Enviro400s as they ride particularly badly, even allowing for ADL's questionable build quality!

Regarding the Commander allocation, 2505 is at Runcorn while 2624 doesn't seem to get out much at the moment.

Southport's Enviro400s are the only ones out of the substantial 2014/5 batch that were built in Scarborough plus they have 40-50% more mileage than any of the Merseyside ones to.

(03/08/2020 13:17)507022 Wrote: [ -> ]2158 is a Bangor bus

No 2158 is belonged to Wrexham depot.

(03/08/2020 17:26)DEM777Y Wrote: [ -> ]These Enviro200s may be refurbed, but I don't envy my former colleagues having these in place of Pulsars. They will have led a very hard life, and if they're anything like the 08 Enviro200s, the cabs will be cramped and uncomfortable.

A massive backwards step for Canning Road, in my opinion.

I rode one on route 393 in London in 2015. As I found it quite uncomfortable I alighted at an earlier interchange than initially intended.

Conversely the later ENS on route W11 (now transferred to route 410) was really good.

(04/08/2020 22:27)efanmthomas Wrote: [ -> ]No 2158 is belonged to Wrexham depot.

Sorry for moving off thread but have 2156/7/8 all moved away from Bangor Or just 2158.

(08/08/2020 15:37)507022 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry for moving off thread but have 2156/7/8 all moved away from Bangor Or just 2158.

2158 has been at Wrexham for quite some time. 2156/7 are (unless somebody knows otherwise) outstationed at Llandudno.

The Southport batch should be 2159- 66.

(08/08/2020 16:35)EDB325 Wrote: [ -> ]2158 has been at Wrexham for quite some time. 2156/7 are (unless somebody knows otherwise) outstationed at Llandudno.

The Southport batch should be 2159- 66.

All three 2156/7/8 are at Wrexham now three Solos went the other way

(09/08/2020 09:03)Y727 KNF Wrote: [ -> ]All three 2156/7/8 are at Wrexham now three Solos went the other way

Thanks everyone

Ex-London Enviro200s 2164 and 2165 entered service today on routes 46 and 49.