2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

[SK15 GZG (Moderator)]

2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades
I thought it'd be a good idea to have a thread to keep track of the new stock and any resulting cascades. If anyone has any further information it'd be much appreciated

Alexander Dennis Enviro400City (TBC)
TBC-TBC (TBC) - St Helens

Wright StreetDeck Ultroliner (24)
4710-4733 - Green Lane

Wright StreetLite 8.8M (1)
6015 - Southport

Wright StreetLite 9.5M (5)
6010-6014 - Southport

Wright StreetLite 10.8M (4)
6006-6009 - Southport

Cascades
2159/65 - Southport to Arriva Yorkshire (via Team Pennine)
2160/6 - Southport to St Helens
2161/4 - Southport to Unallocated
2162/3 - Southport to Birkenhead

2587 - Southport to Withdrawn
2622/24 - Southport to Birkenhead

4565-71 - Speke to Southport (loan)

[Barney]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 16:02)SK15 GZG Wrote:  I thought it'd be a good idea to have a thread to keep track of the new stock and any resulting cascades. If anyone has any further information it'd be much appreciated

Alexander Dennis Enviro400City (TBC)
TBC-TBC (TBC) - St Helens

Wright StreetLite (10)
TBC-TBC (10) - Southport

Wright StreetDeck Ultroliner (24)
4xxx-4xxx (24) - Green Lane

My understanding is that the hydrogen-powered ADLs for the 10A service are to be purchased by LCR/Merseytravel and not Arriva.

[SK15 GZG (Moderator)]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 19:16)Barney Wrote:  My understanding is that the hydrogen-powered ADLs for the 10A service are to be purchased by LCR/Merseytravel and not Arriva.

I know that's the case but I thought it'd be worth including them anyway as at least some of them will be operated by Arriva

[1466]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 19:16)Barney Wrote:  My understanding is that the hydrogen-powered ADLs for the 10A service are to be purchased by LCR/Merseytravel and not Arriva.

Is correct

[1466]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 16:02)SK15 GZG Wrote:  I thought it'd be a good idea to have a thread to keep track of the new stock and any resulting cascades. If anyone has any further information it'd be much appreciated

Alexander Dennis Enviro400City (TBC)
TBC-TBC (TBC) - St Helens

Wright StreetLite (10)
TBC-TBC (10) - Southport

Wright StreetDeck Ultroliner (24)
4xxx-4xxx (24) - Green Lane

Hope the StreetDeck's are better than the StreetLights, shocking that someone actually designed something so bad

[H101GEV (Administrator)]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 19:48)1466 Wrote:  Hope the StreetDeck's are better than the StreetLights, shocking that someone actually designed something so bad

Let's hope these the build quality of these StreetDecks is better than the similar looking Gemini 3 hybrids, as those have not aged at all well.

[thomasl1231]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 20:00)H101GEV Wrote:  Let's hope these the build quality of these StreetDecks is better than the similar looking Gemini 3 hybrids, as those have not aged at all well.

Hopefully the engines will have improvements too over the Daimlers seen at First, Diamond etc which are very prone to problems!

[Y458 KNF]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 20:04)thomasl1231 Wrote:  Hopefully the engines will have improvements too over the Daimlers seen at First, Diamond etc which are very prone to problems!

The engines will be the same if Arriva have spec them with the OM934 I hope they’ve chosen the much better OM936 they need the extra power

[Barney]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(21/09/2021 21:25)darylyates17 Wrote:  The engines will be the same if Arriva have spec them with the OM934 I hope they’ve chosen the much better OM936 they need the extra power

Despite the almost universal condemnation of the StreetLites that LS had delivered several years ago and the clear failings of the underpowered engine in the StreetDecker reported elsewhere one does wonder why these have been ordered. Are they that much cheaper? If so, the old adage "Buy cheap, buy twice" needs to be considered.

The Wright B10Ms were solid workhorses and perfectly suited to the demands of inner-city operation and the Arriva app and site is appalling since it was revamped. Perhaps there is some truth in the suggestion that Arriva is in deliberate manged decline.

[L401CJF]

RE: 2021/22 Arriva North West orders & subsequent cascades

(22/09/2021 09:50)Barney Wrote:  Despite the almost universal condemnation of the StreetLites that LS had delivered several years ago and the clear failings of the underpowered engine in the StreetDecker reported elsewhere one does wonder why these have been ordered. Are they that much cheaper? If so, the old adage "Buy cheap, buy twice" needs to be considered.

The Wright B10Ms were solid workhorses and perfectly suited to the demands of inner-city operation and the Arriva app and site is appalling since it was revamped. Perhaps there is some truth in the suggestion that Arriva is in deliberate manged decline.

I think it's more a case of having no choice. They've been wanting to sell the UK bus side of things off for a while, seem to be stuck with it for the foreseeable, and with Euro 6 rules coming in all over the shop, mixed with 15year rules like we have on Merseyside, it's a case of having no choice but buying new buses - the cheapest on the market - to replace their aging fleets or not run at all.