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Quote:Can I ask where do you source this information? It's just that you could be making it all up off the top of your head, and since most of what you are saying is in defense of First which I must say is very rare for any individual...

Answer I work part time for first pioneer my uncle is the dm. I help him out part time because of my family. If you read my posts properly I'm sure you would work that out plus I have said this months ago

James, in all honesty, should you be saying half of this stuff as it could be seen as commercially sensitive? After all, you have just told the competition of potential future plans!

(04/01/2013 18:39)Nicholas Wrote: [ -> ]James, in all honesty, should you be saying half of this stuff as it could be seen as commercially sensitive? After all, you have just told the competition of potential future plans!

My uncle doesn't mind. It not top secret stuff duki is a lot more chilled out n open than other depots all I tell u is what I'm allowed to tell if I'm told stuff I can't tell I don't post it on here simples

Bolton at it again:-

36/37 branded 33657 without a working destinations front, side and rear with a
paper "561" in the front window! Enough said...

(04/01/2013 12:49)james Wrote: [ -> ]

(04/01/2013 11:55)Mayneway Wrote: [ -> ]

(03/01/2013 23:15)james Wrote: [ -> ]They can only upgrade thse at the moment with pass surveys done onpioneer routes pass numbers and satisfaction is up greatly on 346 389 331/3 esp with 346 with some ppl prefering firsts service to stg seeing as they run together

I would have thought it was the other way round. A choice of a draughty old arrow or cramped Solo or nice modern Enviro200's from Stagecoach, not to mention the fact the First 346's always seem to be late compared to Stagecoach!

answer is most of the survey was old fogies/ppl on their own (lol) they prefer the m950 to stagecoach as they as a "nicer ride" and the first buses dont stop and wait time at newton and duki as stagecoach have too much running time. first often over take stagecoach half way along the route if not before. the most used comment was get more of the new buses like the b9s and new solos and get rid of the last few darts. wich the dm is trying to do

Fair enough. I always use the Stagecoach 346's myself and to be honest they carry a good load. From the fare paying passengers point of view the 346 has always looked like a poor relation compared to the 348/350. The 348/350 has recently recieved modern clean buses, there is [or certainly was] cheaper day/week tickets on the 348/350 and they are also more frequent.
If it was me, i would be quite aggreaved at paying a higer fare for travelling on older vechicles.
I think the one thing that could swing it for First is the fact they run the Sunday/bank holiday contracted journeys, so someone travelling 7 days a week would have to buy a First weekly rather than a megarider.

Are there any B10BLEs left at Queens Road now? :P

(05/01/2013 22:34)thomasl1231 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there any B10BLEs left at Queens Road now? :P

Yes. R583SBA was on the 26 today.

First's service changes for 27 January now on their website:

*8/12/25/26/36 - All services re-routed to serve Salford Shopping Centre (enter/exit from Pendleton Church roundabout)
*81/81A/88/89 - Due to stand B at Piccadilly Gardens/Oldham Street being temporarily closed, buses will terminate at Lever Street (stop TC) and start from Stevenson Square (EB)

*8 - Evening service re-timed to improve timekeeping
*12 - Service re-timed to improve timekeeping
*17 - New daytime timetable introduced with additional running time due to Metrolink works in Rochdale. Additional weekday afternoon journeys introduced.
*18 - Improved Weekday afternoon and Sunday timetable introduced
*22 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*24 - Some journeys will have journey times extended
*25 - Weekday afternoon service re-timed to improve timekeeping
*33 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*36 - Evening service re-timed to improve timekeeping
*58/59 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*67/100 - Weekday afternoon timetables re-timed to improving spacing in between journeys. Service 100 journeys that terminate at Irlam extended to Cadishead, The Vista.
*68 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*74/75 - Times changed at peak-times
*81/81A - Times changed to improve reliability. The 1734, 1804 and 1834 81A journeys from Holts will be extended from Oldham Mumps to Oldham bus station
*83 - Monday-Saturday daytime journeys that currently terminate at Oldham bus station are extended to Sholver, providing 8 buses per hour (currently 6)
*92/94 - 94 withdrawn and replaced by service 92 via Pilsworth. Buses re-routed via Manchester Road instead of Market Street in Bury.
*93 - Daytime journeys re-routed via Whitefield Interchange
*98 - Times changed at peak times and on Sundays
*154 - Re-routed in Cheetham Hill with minor timetable changes
*162/163 - Peak times journey re-timed. Additional evening 163 journeys between Middleton and Manchester to provide half-hourly service, which will be co-ordinated with services 17/18. Sunday 163 service re-timed.
*184 - Weekday morning journeys re-timed to improve connections at Greenfield railway station
*343 - The 1720 journey from Oldham to Dukinfield will terminate at Mossley railway station
*386 - Service extended from Greave to Woodley with buses towards Stockport re-timed to run 5 mins later between Greave and Stockport
*409 - New timetable introduced due to reduced roadworks in Oldham
*454/457 - Service re-timed to provide a 10 minute service between Littleborough and Rochdale with First WY services 589/590
*469 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*471 - New evening timetable introduced, to improve co-ordination with service 98, with most journeys running 30 mins later between Bury and Bolton. New daytime timetable introduced with additional running time due to Metrolink works in Rochdale
*472/474 - Minor peak-time and Saturday morning timetable changes
*507 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*512/513/516/584 - Taken over by Maytree
*575 - Minor peak-time timetable changes
*582 - Minor weekday off-peak timetable changes
*X35 - Due to 81/81A/88/89 using Stevenson Square, service X35 will start from stand TE.

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_...161&conf=0

Regarding the changes to the 8, 12, 25, 26 and 36, it seems that, looking on the Traveline website, they will stop at a new stop on Rossall Way (top of Salford Shopping Centre). This means that buses won't be going up and down Hankinson Way but making a short loop into the shopping area. Also seems that the re-routing will also apply to the Night Bus services 8 and 36 plus the 39, which is also being re-routed in.

I have seen the 24 being operated by an Olympian twice this week. Both on Oldham Road, one this morning and the other on Tuesday morning. This is unacceptable especially considering the 24 is an hourly service and it is not easy to catch the next one.

The 24 has always had a variety of buses operated but surely Oldham has some low floor buses for it, particularly when they are scrapping low floor darts...

Just read the changes listed above, Good to see the 83 service being increased as it always looks packed.