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Looking on the Traveline website at the 425 timetable for September, as there is a Route and Timetable change on VOSA, and it looks like (unless Traveline have made an error) that Monday-Saturday daytime journeys won't call at Oldham bus station. The stops before and after the bus station have a estimated time but under Oldham West Street Bus Station, there is a gap.

If this is the case, then it might be possible that the service is being altered to improve reliability by by-passing the bus station (going up and back down West Street) and just continuing along Rochdale Road and St Mary's Way with passengers having to use stops at the market/sports centre or King Street/Manchester Street

PC0003680/191 - FIRST MANCHESTER LTD T/A FIRST, WALLSHAW STREET, OLDHAM, OL1 3TR
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Holts Estate and Fitton Hill, Community Centre given service number 425 effective from 02-Sep-2012. To amend Route and Timetable.

66887 is now back at Bryn - I've just seen it operating the 600 to Leigh in Golborne!

First Manchester changes for 2 September 2012:

Service 6: Kirkholt - Rochdale
This service has a new timetable to improve timekeeping. Departure times on journeys from Rochdale will not change.

Services 12/25/26: Leigh - Manchester
These services have a new timetable to account for increased journey times following the end of the school holidays.

Service 17: Rochdale - Manchester
This service has minor timetable changes, Monday-Saturday mornings to improve co-ordination with services 18 & 163.

The 2359 Friday & Saturday departure from Manchester Shudehill to Rochdale is replaced by a night service departing at 2400.

Service 17 Night Service: Rochdale - Manchester
This service is re-timed to depart Manchester Piccadilly at 2400 and every 30 minutes until 0330, and Rochdale at 0045 and every 30 minutes until 0245.

Service 18: Langley - Manchester
This service has minor timetable changes, Monday-Saturday mornings to improve co-ordination with services 17 & 163.

Service 33: Worsley - Manchester
The Monday-Friday 0653 departure from Manchester Piccadilly is retimed to depart at 0652.

Service X34: Lowton - Leigh - Manchester
Two additional Monday-Friday departures are introduced on this service: 0720 from Manchester to Leigh and 0827 Leigh to Manchester.

The Monday-Friday 0605 departure from Leigh is retimed to depart at 0604, and the 0655 departure to 0654.

Service 36: Bolton - Manchester
The following Monday-Friday departures are retimed to improve timekeeping:
From Bolton the 0544, 0554 & 0602 departures will depart at 0540, 0550 & 0558 respectively
From Manchester the 0700, 0714 & 0722 departures will depart at 0656, 0706 & 0718 respectively

Service 37: Bolton - Manchester
The following Monday-Friday departures are retimed to improve timekeeping:
From Bolton the 0548 departure will depart at 0547
From Manchester the 0651 will depart at 0650

Services 38/39: Hazelhurst - Ashton
These services have minor timetable changes to improve timekeeping.

Service 64: Oldham - Middleton - Manchester
The following journeys are revised:
The Monday-Friday 0541 departure from Oldham will now start from Middleton at 0617
The Monday-Friday 0609 departure from Oldham will now start from Mills Hill at 0630
The Saturday 0726 departure from Oldham will now start from Middleton at 0802
The Saturday 0756 departure from Oldham will now start from Mills Hill at 0817

Service 81: Derker/Waterhead - Manchester
This service has a new timetable but no change to the frequency.

Service X84: Carrcote - Manchester
Departures from Manchester Piccadilly will operate as before summer departing at 1642 1712 1742 and 1812

Services 88/89: White Moss - Manchester
These services have a new timetable during Monday-Friday peak times to improve timekeeping.

Services 92/93/94: Bury - Manchester
These services have a new timetable to account for increased journey times following the end of the school holidays.

On service 93, some PM peak departures from Manchester Shudehill will depart 2 minutes later than at present.

Service 149: Oldham - Manchester
This service has a new timetable, Monday-Friday peak times to improve timekeeping.

NEW Service 162: Norden - Heywood - Manchester
This is a new Monday-Friday peak time service, replacing some journeys on service 163. It will operate via the route of service 167 between Norden & Heywood and via the route of service 163 between Heywood & Manchester Piccadilly.

Departures from Norden are at 0646, 0708 & 0736.
Departures from Manchester Piccadilly at at 1645, 1715, 1745 & 1815.

Service 163: Bury - Manchester
Some Monday-Friday departures are replaced by new peak time service 162.

Service 167: Norden - Manchester
This service is withdrawn due to poor patronage but is partly replaced by new service 162.

Service 182: Rochdale - Manchester
The 0615 Monday-Friday departure from Royton to Rochdale is withdrawn. The 0624 from Royton to Rochdale will continue to operate and may be a suitable alternative

Service 183: Limeside - Oldham
This service is withdrawn due to poor patronage.

Service 184: Manchester - Diggle
The 0736 Monday-Friday departure from Garden Suburb will now start from Manchester Piccadilly at 0710.

Services 331/333: Smallshaw - Ashton
These services are reduced to operate every 30 minutes, Monday-Saturday daytime. In conjuction with service 393, there are 6 buses an hour to Ashton.

Service 346: Hyde - Ashton
This service has minor timetable changes to improve timekeeping

Services 387/389: Hyde - Ashton
These services have minor timetable changes to improve timekeeping.

An additional Monday-Saturday journey will operate, 1900 Ashton to Gee Cross. This replaces the 1940 departure from Hyde which is withdrawn

Service 408: Buckstones - Stalybridge
This service has a new timetable to improve timekeeping.

The following journeys are withdrawn:
-Monday-Friday 0849 Buckstones - Oldham
-Monday-Friday School holidays 1517 Oldham - Buckstones
-Monday-Friday School holidays 1549 Buckstones - Oldham
-Monday- Friday Schoolday 1540 Crompton House - Oldham

Service 428: Buckstones - Oldham
The 1417 Monday-Friday departure from Oldham will now terminate at Shaw on schooldays only.

Service 507: Harwood - Bolton
The 0837 Monday-Friday departure from Harwood to Bolton is withdrawn on schooldays.

Service 519: Johnson Fold - Bolton
This service is increased to operate every 10 minutes, Monday-Saturday daytime.

Service 533: Egerton - Bolton
This service is withdrawn due to poor patronage.Alternative facities are availble on service 507 between Tonge Moor Road and Bolton.

Service 536: Darcy Lever - Bolton
The following changes will be made to this service:
-The Monday-Friday 0634 departure from Breightmet to Bolton is withdrawn
-The Monday-Friday 0704 departure from Breightmet to Bolton will depart at 0649 and operate 15 minutes earlier throughout
-The Monday-Friday 1700 Bolton to Breightmet circular is withdrawn
-The Saturday 0820 Bolton to Breightmet circular will now commence from Breightmet at 0839
-The Saturday 1825 Bolton to Breightmet circular is withdrawn

Service 540: Wigan - Bolton
The following Monday-Friday departures are changed:
-The 1435 departure from Bolton is extended to Wigan
-The 1635 departure from Bolton is withdrawn
-Between 1745 and 1915 buses will now depart from Bolton to Wigan every 15 minutes
-The 1509 & 1714 departures from Westhoughton to Bolton are withdrawn

Service 610: South Lancs Industrial Estate - Wigan
This service has a new Monday-Friday peak time timetable to improve timekeeping

Services 625/6: Wigan - Beech Hill
These services have a revised Monday-Friday peak time timetable to improve timekeeping

Service 719: Rochdale - Hopwood Hall - Middleton
The following journeys are withdrawn due to poor patronage
-The 0852, 0917 & 0937 departures from Rochdale
-The 0852 & 0928 departures from Middleton
-All afternoon journeys

Service 763: Darn Hill - Siddal Moor
The following journeys are withdrawn:
-The 0817 departure from Darn Hill to Siddal Moor
-The 1520 departure from Siddal Moor to Darn Hill

Service 913: Sholver - Buckstones
The 0743 departure from Sholver is withdrawn

Service 933: Astley - Leigh
The 1506 departure from Astley, St. Marys will now depart at 1456 and operate 10 minutes earlier throughout

Service 948: St John Fisher - New Springs
The 1505 departure from St John Fisher is withdrawn

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_...671&conf=0

(16/08/2012 10:32)SF07 Wrote: [ -> ]Service 36: Bolton - Manchester
The following Monday-Friday departures are retimed to improve timekeeping:
From Bolton the 0544, 0554 & 0602 departures will depart at 0540, 0550 & 0558 respectively
From Manchester the 0700, 0714 & 0722 departures will depart at 0656, 0706 & 0718 respectively

Service 37: Bolton - Manchester
The following Monday-Friday departures are retimed to improve timekeeping:
From Bolton the 0548 departure will depart at 0547
From Manchester the 0651 will depart at 0650

I believe that you can't improve the 36 and 37 time keeping at all, and the Reason will always be Piccadilly gardens. First have talked about gps tracking and inspectors checking along the route. These measures can't control the inbound buses on Piccadilly gardens cn they? 36 and 37 stand is used by god knows how many routes. And very often I blocked and the buses have to go round the block re entering the gardens when the stand is empty. Great ideas first bus have yep. But the practical side of them makes them tough to implement. Whether its a new enviro400 or VolvoB9 running the routes, it won't improve time keeping. Because Piccadilly is. So busy, and that won't change .

Edited to remove excessive quote not of relevance to post - CX54

(15/08/2012 11:45)gilesbus1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(14/08/2012 21:10)GmBusesNorth Wrote: [ -> ]Optares to leave wigan and will be replaced by darts with electronic destinations and also B10s, thats what the frontman told me!

That would make sense, Volvo B10BLE's out of QS and perhaps Dart SLF's from another area that are newer than R Plate, perhaps some from Yorkshire or Scotland or Midlands.

I think the P reg Arrows as well if any are left may get replaced by something slighly newer as they are now too old for school work.

Generally what I suspect will happen is that some B9TL's at least will get cascaded away possibly in exchange for newer Midibuses, its also possible I guess that some B7RLE's may go likewise to other fleets.

I guess and I emphacise guess that Manchester will recieve B9TL's that are displaced to cascade B10BLE's to Wigan probably the older batches or the odd balls within them.

Bury might get some but they arent now really needed there as they already have enough B9TL's to service the 471, maybe perhaps a few more could be in order.

B7RLE's would ber cascaded out from the Bury and Bolton stock along with B9TL's from out of the Oldham stock indead three have already gone to London for the 2012 Olympics so may not come back here and instead may go elsewhere, they where 09 Plated examples in the new livery.

Interesting Aberdeen is expecting a number of deckers so it may be possible some of ours are going there.

Bury are to get some more B9s for the 135/471 allocation duties, as the current fleet doesn't meat the requirement. It's no secret that Oldham will be sending some B9s to Bury this information comes from reliable sources employed at First so it's likely it will happen. Although to accommodate these new B9s with Bury being a smaller depot it can only take buses it can realistically park, so you would assume that older scanias may well be leaving.

Also bare in mind that there is whilst nothing confirmed a great deal of in certainty as to the long term future of the citaros remaining at Bury also to be considered

(16/08/2012 12:10)Damien Wrote: [ -> ]Bury are to get some more B9s for the 135/471 allocation duties, as the current fleet doesn't meat the requirement. It's no secret that Oldham will be sending some B9s to Bury this information comes from reliable sources employed at First so it's likely it will happen. Although to accommodate these new B9s with Bury being a smaller depot it can only take buses it can realistically park, so you would assume that older scanias may well be leaving.

Also bare in mind that there is whilst nothing confirmed a great deal of in certainty as to the long term future of the citaros remaining at Bury also to be considered

I don't like to speculate as it is always best to wait and see... but... I can see all of BNs 53 B9TLs being replaced with new buses which will then leave 20 Darts and 7 Arrows to be go, These may get replaced by SDs from other depots that are receiving the outgoing B9s.... Time will tell.

Edited to remove excessive quote - CX54

(16/08/2012 12:42)WWH44L Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like to speculate as it is always best to wait and see... but... I can see all of BNs 53 B9TLs being replaced with new buses which will then leave 20 Darts and 7 Arrows to be go, These may get replaced by SDs from other depots that are receiving the outgoing B9s.... Time will tell.

I Don't like to speculate myself, all my information is based on solid fact, but of course I totally agree, its a wait and see game.

Edited to remove excessive quote - CX54

37373 on loan to Pioneer [on 350 Hey Farm] wonder if this is to get the drivers use to B9s

(16/08/2012 19:34)mic Wrote: [ -> ]37373 on loan to Pioneer [on 350 Hey Farm] wonder if this is to get the drivers use to B9s

Did wonder what happened to those B9s now that the other B9s have returned to Oldham from the Olympics.