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RE: First Manchester
The GMCA committee meeting giving details of the proposed changes by First to services in Oldham area from 27 October:
- 80/81A: Service 81A is withdrawn and replaced between Oldham and Holts Estate via Greenacres and Lees by service 80. Service continues to run every 30 minutes.
- 81: Frequency between Oldham and Manchester reduced to half-hourly. Oldham-Derker section withdrawn. TfGM looking at replacement services for Oldham-Derker.
- 82/83: Changes to Monday-Saturday daytime journeys on service 83, with service continuing to run every 10 minutes between Manchester and Oldham Mumps, while the Oldham-Sholver section will be replaced by service 82, running every 15 minutes. Evening and Sunday journeys remain as full Sholver-Manchester route, as service 83.
- 84: New service 84 introduced, partly replacing services 180/184. Service runs every 10 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continuing to Uppermill 3 times per hour (possibly every 20 minutes). Sunday journeys run every 15 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continutes to Uppermill 3 times per hour (as existing 184 Sunday service). Monday-Saturday evening journeys run half-hourly between Manchester and Uppermill, while Sunday evening journeys run every 30 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continuing to Uppermill every hour.
- 180: Service curtailed to run between Greenfield and Oldham with frequency reduced to hourly. Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn with Greenfield-Oldham link provided by service 350, with connections at Uppermill for service 84 to Grotton and Lees.
- 184: Service curtailed to run between Huddersfield and Oldham only with journeys between Uppermill, Oldham and Manchester replaced by service 84. Sunday journeys to/from Huddersfield provided by service 84.
- 425: Route curtailed to run between Oldham and Holts Estate via Glodwick, with Monday-Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 10 minutes.
- 426: New service introduced, replacing service 425 between Oldham and Fitton Hill. Monday-Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes compared to existing 425 service.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf
EDIT:
Changes are now on the First website too: https://www.firstgroup.com/greater-manch...ce-changes
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RE: First Manchester
(09/10/2019 19:22)SF07 Wrote: The GMCA committee meeting giving details of the proposed changes by First to services in Oldham area from 27 October:
- 80/81A: Service 81A is withdrawn and replaced between Oldham and Holts Estate via Greenacres and Lees by service 80. Service continues to run every 30 minutes.
- 81: Frequency between Oldham and Manchester reduced to half-hourly. Oldham-Derker section withdrawn. TfGM looking at replacement services for Oldham-Derker.
- 82/83: Changes to Monday-Saturday daytime journeys on service 83, with service continuing to run every 10 minutes between Manchester and Oldham Mumps, while the Oldham-Sholver section will be replaced by service 82, running every 15 minutes. Evening and Sunday journeys remain as full Sholver-Manchester route, as service 83.
- 84: New service 84 introduced, partly replacing services 180/184. Service runs every 10 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continuing to Uppermill 3 times per hour (possibly every 20 minutes). Sunday journeys run every 15 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continutes to Uppermill 3 times per hour (as existing 184 Sunday service). Monday-Saturday evening journeys run half-hourly between Manchester and Uppermill, while Sunday evening journeys run every 30 minutes between Manchester and Grotton, continuing to Uppermill every hour.
- 180: Service curtailed to run between Greenfield and Oldham with frequency reduced to hourly. Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn with Greenfield-Oldham link provided by service 350, with connections at Uppermill for service 84 to Grotton and Lees.
- 184: Service curtailed to run between Huddersfield and Oldham only with journeys between Uppermill, Oldham and Manchester replaced by service 84. Sunday journeys to/from Huddersfield provided by service 84.
- 425: Route curtailed to run between Oldham and Holts Estate via Glodwick, with Monday-Saturday daytime frequency increased to every 10 minutes.
- 426: New service introduced, replacing service 425 between Oldham and Fitton Hill. Monday-Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes compared to existing 425 service.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf
EDIT:
Changes are now on the First website too: https://www.firstgroup.com/greater-manch...ce-changes
What a total shambles from first leaving pretty much everywhere on the other side of Oldham without any Manchester buses or through services. it only going to get worst with decline in bus usaging
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 03:25)Mikeonthebuses Wrote: What a total shambles from first leaving pretty much everywhere on the other side of Oldham without any Manchester buses or through services. it only going to get worst with decline in bus usaging
Remember First want to sell Oldham but didn’t get any sensible offers so they are trying to make it more profitable by getting rid of the less profitable routes before possibly putting Oldham up for sale again I personality assume First will wait until the Vantage contract ends before giving up on Oldham
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 13:20)darylyates17 Wrote: Remember First want to sell Oldham but didn’t get any sensible offers so they are trying to make it more profitable by getting rid of the less profitable routes before possibly putting Oldham up for sale again I personality assume First will wait until the Vantage contract ends before giving up on Oldham
Back in late Jan, First had a buyer for Oldham (believe terms were agreed), First were pushing to complete all 3 sales so they could be announced at the same time/close together. For unknown reasons, the deal to buy Oldham collapsed & didn't complete, plus Rotala's deal to buy Bolton was also delayed thus only the Go Ahead deal could be announced during Feb.
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 13:54)Winston Wrote: Back in late Jan, First had a buyer for Oldham (believe terms were agreed), First were pushing to complete all 3 sales so they could be announced at the same time/close together. For unknown reasons, the deal to buy Oldham collapsed & didn't complete, plus Rotala's deal to buy Bolton was also delayed thus only the Go Ahead deal could be announced during Feb.
That’s interesting as I didn’t think a deal was reached for Oldham although I’m
not surprised First wanted to sell all 3 depots at the same time, I assume Transdev would be a likely candidate for Oldham if they weren’t the original buyer for Oldham.
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 14:23)darylyates17 Wrote: That’s interesting as I didn’t think a deal was reached for Oldham although I’m
not surprised First wanted to sell all 3 depots at the same time, I assume Transdev would be a likely candidate for Oldham if they weren’t the original buyer for Oldham.
It wasn't common knowledge, only amongst those involved with the bidding process at the time.
Transdev were not the original intended buyer of Oldham
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RE: First Manchester
I just realised why the 184 is staying between Huddersfield and Oldham is when a sale does happen for Oldham Depot the route would not be included in the sale and the route would transfer over to First West Yorkshire team which would make a intrested buyer, more intrested in buying the depot and routes with out the 2 hour buderen of the 184 has it is now and makes easier for the west yorkshire to take over once First Manchester Collapases.
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 03:25)Mikeonthebuses Wrote: What a total shambles from first leaving pretty much everywhere on the other side of Oldham without any Manchester buses or through services. it only going to get worst with decline in bus usaging
Its because of appalling congestion around Oldham mumps and lees road and in Manchester that makes splitting the routes a good idea. Hopefully it'll lead to more journeys running on time
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RE: First Manchester
(10/10/2019 21:37)NorthernCounties Wrote: Its because of appalling congestion around Oldham mumps and lees road and in Manchester that makes splitting the routes a good idea. Hopefully it'll lead to more journeys running on time
Splitting the service is one thing, but the reductions in service will cause problems for many people, particularly on the far side of Oldham. First lost the plot in Oldham some time ago with old decrepit busses and poor timekeeping, What is happening now is scarcely managed decline.
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RE: First Manchester
Timetables for the 82/83 are now on TfGM website. The other changes to First services in Oldham can be seen on the MyTFGM Journey Planner.
Looking at the timetables (links in the service numbers):
80
- Buses will depart 5 minutes later from Oldham and 6 minutes earlier from Holts compared to existing 81A service.
- Service will run a loop around Holts Estate, meaning faster journeys to Oldham.
- Service finishes around an hour earlier from Oldham at 1843, while last weekday journey from Holts is later at 1840.
81
- Half-hourly service
- Running at same times as 81A from Manchester to Oldham, while buses from Oldham will depart at 21 and 51.
- Journeys that start from Moston are extended to start from Oldham.
- Last buses: From Oldham at 1751 and from Manchester at 1852 (1847 Saturdays)
- Sunday service runs 10 minutes earlier from Oldham. Unchanged departure times from Manchester.
82/83
- Earlier start from Sholver on service 82 compared to existing 83 service.
- Buses from Manchester will start running to Sholver from 1742 onwards.
- Buses from Sholver will continue to Manchester from 1857 onwards.
- Last two Monday-Saturday journeys from Manchester will terminate at Oldham bus station instead of Mumps.
84
- Broadly a similar timetable between Grotton and Manchester compared to existing 180/184 timetable
- Service to/from Uppermill will be every 30 minutes at same times to 184 journeys that start/terminate at Uppermill.
- The 2250 Monday-Saturday journey from Manchester will extend from Grotton to Uppermill.
- All existing 180 journeys from 7.30pm on Mondays-Saturdays will run to/from Uppermill instead of Greenfield.
- Sunday service remains same as existing 180/184 Sunday service, except that all existing 180 journeys will start/terminate at Grotton.
- Sunday journeys to/from Huddersfield run as 84 not as 184.
180 / 184
- 184 will run at similar times to existing journeys between Oldham and Huddersfield, although most journeys from Oldham will run 3 minutes earlier between Oldham and Uppermill.
- 180 will run 10 minutes before the 184 from Oldham and 10 minutes after the 184 to Oldham.
- Last 180 departure from Oldham is 1909 weekdays and 1856 Saturdays, while from Greenfield is 1942 weekdays and 1932 Saturdays.
- Likely that the 180/184 will interwork at Oldham bus station (i.e. arrives as 180, leaves as 184 and vice-versa).
- No Sunday services on 180 or 184 (Huddersfield journeys on Sundays run as service 84 to/from Manchester).
84/180/184
- 4 journeys per hour between Greenfield station and Oldham
- Buses from Oldham depart at 06 (184), 19 (84), 49 (84), 56 (180)
- Buses from Greenfield station to Oldham depart at 05 (84), 25 (184), 35 (84), 35 (180).
- 180 and 184 will run at same times as 84 between Grotton and Oldham.
425
- 425 to run every 10 minutes from 9.05am until 1.45pm weekdays and from 8.45am until 4.55pm Saturdays with less frequent service outside those hours.
- Last departure on a Saturday will be after the Stagecoach service starts.
- Sunday service at same times between Oldham and Holts
426
- Runs every 20 minutes between 7am and 7.40pm
- Sunday service departs Oldham at same times as existing 425 service but with a slightly faster service.
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