Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

[M60lad]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan
Not sure if Evening News got their days mixed up then but the actual advert actually appeared in last nights (Thursday) issue as I picked one of the free copies up in Manchester and saw the actual advert myself

[stait.john@hotmail.co.uk]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan
It is a far cry from the Stagecoach Manchester I left in 2011, and I honestly think the Management team now is weaker than it was then. Chris Bowles is a well respected figure in the bus world and although I've not worked under him, I imagine he's a good MD, but when Mark Threapleton and Darren Roe left for London, it was like when Sir Alex left Old Trafford! My personal opinion!

New vehicles have still entered the fleet and there's been an amount of fleet replacement, and apart from the Magic fleet (which is slowly being upgraded) and Middleton, it's still a modern fleet.

The Council and TfGM have to take some responsibility for the works being carried out and their timing, but nobody could foresee the sinkholes that have appeared (apart from the fact that there are probably too many buses on certain stretches of City roads - but that could be said for many Cities now) A very difficult situation for them, and I assume First have seen a downturn in their performance too.

John

[Mayneway]

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(18/12/2015 12:43)stait.john@hotmail.co.uk Wrote:  It is a far cry from the Stagecoach Manchester I left in 2011, and I honestly think the Management team now is weaker than it was then. Chris Bowles is a well respected figure in the bus world and although I've not worked under him, I imagine he's a good MD, but when Mark Threapleton and Darren Roe left for London, it was like when Sir Alex left Old Trafford! My personal opinion!

New vehicles have still entered the fleet and there's been an amount of fleet replacement, and apart from the Magic fleet (which is slowly being upgraded) and Middleton, it's still a modern fleet.

The Council and TfGM have to take some responsibility for the works being carried out and their timing, but nobody could foresee the sinkholes that have appeared (apart from the fact that there are probably too many buses on certain stretches of City roads - but that could be said for many Cities now) A very difficult situation for them, and I assume First have seen a downturn in their performance too.

John

Are Stagecoach trying to create a smokescreen or is it soley down to congestion.

What I will say is as a regular user of Stagecoach services since high school in 1997 I would agree that over the last couple of years I do feel that standards have seriously dropped - and thats using services that don't run into the city centre.
Im sure Mr Bowles gave an interview to one of the trade press around this time last year after winning an award claiming it had been a difficult 12 months with congestion a real issue - this was long before the sinkholes.

Congestion has always been an issue it's never going to change. Yes TFGM and local councils do have a lot to answer for but this is surly down to good planning and communication .

[M60lad]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan
One thing that's puzzling me is that where is this redundant railway bridge that's supposed to be being removed at Reddish Bridge as the only bridge in the area is the very much used disused railway bridge which takes the Fallowfield Loop Line (Trans Pennine Trial) over Hyde Road which I've actually walked many a time on a good day and seems to be used quite a bit on a good day

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(19/12/2015 06:19)M60lad Wrote:  One thing that's puzzling me is that where is this redundant railway bridge that's supposed to be being removed at Reddish Bridge as the only bridge in the area is the very much used disused railway bridge which takes the Fallowfield Loop Line (Trans Pennine Trial) over Hyde Road which I've actually walked many a time on a good day and seems to be used quite a bit on a good day

What road is this bridge on thats 'being' knocked down?

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(19/12/2015 16:22)Dentonian Wrote:  Hyde Road, between Gorton and the junction with Reddish Road. You won't find it marked on the A-Z because it has been disused for a long time. I believe there is indeed a footpath on the bridge, though I would recommend wearing heavy duty boots (to crush syringes underfoot)! Presumably, if this facility needs to be retained, a much narrower footbridge could be constructed.
It is literally a bottleneck and the main cause of morning peak tailbacks to the M67.

By Holiday Inn, a gym and McDonalds? Think thats the one

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RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(19/12/2015 17:41)Dentonian Wrote:  About 100 metres before the turn off to those establishments, if heading out of Manchester

That's the one I thought looking at it on Google it would be well used, that there'd be a footpath to the main road and I wouldn't expect syringes on the ground here

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(19/12/2015 19:44)Dentonian Wrote:  It must be a very steep footpath, and I've never noticed it in passing through regularly for the last 35 years or so! I would guess any footpath to the north of the bridge would come out on the little retail "enclave" you mentioned - which has seen its fair share of general anti-social behaviour, I believe - or to the south beyond the partially boarded up properties off Hyde Road, which are believed to be the sources of those likely to be using syringes and such paraphenalia.

The more pertinent point on this thread is that neither of those areas offer any diversion route around the bridge for traffic whilst it is knocked down. Additionally, I've just seem the MEN piece about Roadworks in 2016, with the usual "More Misery for Motorists" headline before explaining the problems Stagecoach will be experiencing (!). In typically poor and ambiguous reporting, it infers the resurfacing of both Hyde Road and Stockport Road will start early in the New Year, despite me being told by a source within TFGM that it would be Autumn/Winter 2016/7.

I suppose the fast food would explain the antisocial behaviour, just that the hotel is there as well

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[John I]

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(18/12/2015 21:06)Dentonian Wrote:  I've no doubt that there are problems on some corridors, particularly at peak times whilst work is going on, but I think it is mostly a smokescreen. The figure of "17 buses" added to the fleet is approximately the PVR of the 38 service, and if you've been following allocation changes over the last few months, you will see that nothing else has gone into the fleet, even though some services have had increased running time and (on paper) PVR. On top of that there is never a shortage of buses and drivers when other Stagecoach companies need bailing out (the latest being Devon, who are taking the first six of Hyde Road's new E400MMCs), or Metrolink Replacements are running.
Also, the £6.75 million a year extra cost, just happens to be slightly more than what Stagecoach get paid for tendered services (30% of which is school services - a low proprtion, overall), so that definately sounds like politicking.
I've had cause to travel from/to MRI and Salford Royal regularly this year, and off-peak especially, there have been no problems on sections of route where Stagecoach run. The problems have been confined to Shudehill/Victoria affecting First - although even their drivers are happy to sit in Shudehill way after scheduled departure time. Indeed, the 41 and 42 are so slack that First sit in Piccadilly for way more than the maximum five minutes without any Supervispr raising an eyebrow. In my experience, the only problems across the city centre are the usual poor parking and orange box blocking, mainly by Goods Vehicles. There is virtually no congestion except turning left from Princess Street into Portland Street, and Oxford Road/Street is no worse than its been for years, except maybe evening rush hour, due to Mancunian Way.
Talking of Mancunian Way, even that isn't causing problems on Hyde Road - certainly not in the evening rush hour.
From what I've seen (and your local service is one of them), far from putting extra resources in, Stagecoach are cutting services and maintaining already tight suburban running times - which are now tighter still due to additional loads being crammed onto remaining services. I can only assume that some of the schools have already finished, as I was amazed that my 203 came on time this morning, and only lost three minutes (two between Bulls Head and Houldsworth Square and one more into Stockport). However loadings were well down on usual with a few empty seats downstairs. This will be partly because we reached Sandy Lane by 0930 (Tw'early time) and traffic was light. The last time I made this journey on a weekday, my 203 was 18 late, with the next 10 late and a third about 5 late.
I'm pleased that TFGM have finally started publishing weekly bulletins (e-mail/free subscription), to warn people of scheduled disruptions, but schedules can change. What we do know is that - despite GMRAPS - Council Highways contractors are a law unto themselves, keeping roads closed or narrowed way into the evening peak, despite a 1530hrs finish normally being imposed, and its amazing how many vehicles with chevrons on the back and the words "Highway Maintenance" or similar, can be seen obstructively parked, speeding or have drivers smoking in the cab.
One valid point Chris Bowles raised - and it might be so he can say "we warned you" to passengers at a later date - was forthcoming resurfacing on Hyde Road and Stockport Road. I don't know the details of Stockport Road, but Hyde Road should have been resurfaced in the Summer of 2014, but is now scheduled to cause absolute chaos next Autumn & Winter. I understand it is a considerable length of the route (could be Manchester all the way to Hattersley AFAIK!) and incorporates the removal of the long redundant railway bridge at Reddish Bridge. Interestingly, these projects are Highways Agency projects, despite HA claiming the A57 (Manchester-Sheffield) was not a Nationally Strategic route when everyone from Stagecoach to Manchester City FC lobbied them to sort said Bridge out years ago! What is not known is how traffic will physically get through this point.
We know that Stagecoach are making no attempt to solve punctuality problems on Hyde Road/Reddish Road corridors with the January change, so the next oppurtunity will be April - which coincides with both the new financial year meaning TFGM need to look at major cuts to tendered services, and Arriva take over the Northern Rail franchise including the Hope(less) Valley line.

So to get back to your earlier question, if the 38 is withdrawn in April (or at least by the end of the University year), then I will believe what Stagecoach are saying. If however, it is more Reddish Road style swingeing cuts, elsewhere in traditional, densely populated, low car-ownership suburban parts away from Salford and South Manchester - then yes, its a Smokescreen.

One final comment, in reply to John's point. I think he is also spot on, with the additional management changes in 2013 (just before this damaging bus war with First started), being an equalky aggravating factor. A NIF who recently retired from Ashton depot tells me service and schedules changes are now a shambles, and it seems its down to certain staff not being replaced at all, rather than by people of equal competence. No names, but let's just say Manchester's loss is Yorkshire's gain!

I don't whether I am fortunate or not but here in Sale but Stagecoach (and Go Goodwin's) are the most reliable operators whereas both First and Arriva are the worst.
The drivers from one company seem to think that 'Sorry not in service' is a destination whilst the other operate two buses together on a fifteen minute frequency!