Greater Manchester Service Changes

[acocker96]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(29/10/2020 23:37)Mrboo Wrote:  Well maybe as it low numbers they need to look at the route and think maybe time to look at maybe running a route from NMH to Newton heath then cover the old route to Hollin lane then cutting into Lineside and running along coal pit lane to ashton road then turn off at Wilshaw Lane / broadoak road into Tameside hospital then Ashton.

Has a bus service ever used Coal pit Lane? I’m weary of how narrow it is, the blind turns and the knobs who like to speed up and down there.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Who is taking on the Wigan to Newton service? I see on the WOB thread that the 22A is no longer going to run so is the old 360 tender just withdrawn now?

[joe_alker]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(29/10/2020 23:37)Mrboo Wrote:  Well maybe as it low numbers they need to look at the route and think maybe time to look at maybe running a route from NMH to Newton heath then cover the old route to Hollin lane then cutting into Lineside and running along coal pit lane to ashton road then turn off at Wilshaw Lane / broadoak road into Tameside hospital then Ashton.

You can't access Ashton Road from Coal Pit Lane in a bus, there's a 6'-6" width restriction at the Ashton Road end. Any routing along Coal Pit Lane would require using Cutler Hill Road and Stannybrook Road, which while probably quite possible in a smaller bus, certainly is also very tight.

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(01/11/2020 11:07)iMarkeh Wrote:  Who is taking on the Wigan to Newton service? I see on the WOB thread that the 22A is no longer going to run so is the old 360 tender just withdrawn now?

Given that there's a Sunday evening service between Newton-le-Willows and Wigan, that's operated by Warrington's Own Buses and there's no mention of that being withdrawn, it would suggest that there will be a Monday-Saturday evening service from a different operator. Whether that's as the 22A or 360 doesn't appear to be clear.

No mention of the change on the TfGM website, which doesn't help anyone using the route. No clues on bustimes.org either. Obvious option would be Arriva resuming the operation and have the same operator throughout the day and evening on Monday-Saturdays and TfGM have been trying to reduce the number of operators on some routes in Leigh recently.

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(29/10/2020 23:37)Mrboo Wrote:  Well maybe as it low numbers they need to look at the route and think maybe time to look at maybe running a route from NMH to Newton heath then cover the old route to Hollin lane then cutting into Lineside and running along coal pit lane to ashton road then turn off at Wilshaw Lane / broadoak road into Tameside hospital then Ashton.

Chances are that TfGM will just introduce a service that will run along the old 396 route between Newton Heath and Hathershaw and then along the 409 route into Ashton. Probably would number it 419 as well .

It would be good if TfGM could find some underserved roads/routes and/or resurrect some previously withdrawn route sections. Looking at old bus maps from 10 years ago and there's not too much around the south Oldham area that has been lost: 151 route between Failsworth and Hollinwood, the Woodhouses loop on the 159 (no stops missed out though) or Drury Lane (only industrial premises and ex-MCT depot). There are a couple of stops on the old 395/396 route in Waterloo that are no longer served, if they wanted to re-route it that way into Ashton (but the wording suggested it'll be a direct route in/out of Ashton, so that probably won't happen).

If TfGM wanted to perhaps re-allocate some funding, they could perhaps withdraw the 183 (majority of the route is covered by the 76/76A and 149). Could re-route the 76A along the 183 between Limeside and Oldham, while the Oldham-Royal Oldham Hospital section is covered by the 149, 159, 403, 408 and 409.

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Diamond have suspended the X8 morning express service into Manchester until further notice.

From Diamond:

Quote:Suspension of the X8 30/10/2020 08:54:16
Monday 2nd November 2020 until further notice
Unfortunately, due to the reduction in patronage on this service as we are in Tier 3 restrictions we have had to make the difficult decision to suspend the operation of this service until further notice.

Passengers are advised to use alternative services 8 and 501

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Hulleys have made some minor changes to the X56/X57 after one week of service with the X57 being given some extra running time along the Snake Pass. Adds about 5 minutes on journeys from Sheffield and 10 minutes on journeys from Manchester. This now allows the X56/X57 to run a more-balanced hourly service between Glossop and Manchester. Journey times are now 95 minutes (1 hour 35) from Sheffield and 100 minutes (1 hour 40) from Manchester.

Sunday journeys are re-timed as well, due to issues with parked cars at Fairholmes. Buses are now re-timed to run at 0915, 1115, 1315, 1515 and 1715 in both directions with the 1315 journey in both directions missing out Fairholmes and Bamford.

The two services have also had their stop at Henry Street in Glossop towards Shirebrook Park/Sheffield removed with buses running direct along High Street/Norfolk Square.

https://twitter.com/hulleysofbaslow/stat...8443417600

[iMarkeh]

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(01/11/2020 15:19)SF07 Wrote:  Given that there's a Sunday evening service between Newton-le-Willows and Wigan, that's operated by Warrington's Own Buses and there's no mention of that being withdrawn, it would suggest that there will be a Monday-Saturday evening service from a different operator. Whether that's as the 22A or 360 doesn't appear to be clear.

No mention of the change on the TfGM website, which doesn't help anyone using the route. No clues on bustimes.org either. Obvious option would be Arriva resuming the operation and have the same operator throughout the day and evening on Monday-Saturdays and TfGM have been trying to reduce the number of operators on some routes in Leigh recently.

TFGM has been awful at updating the website so as you say, that's not helpful. Bustimes won't update as it gets the data from the Traveline database which locally is updated by TFGM. The only way you would get clues is if it was won by an operator who has uploaded OpenData.

The obvious option would be Arriva but they already have issues and as it's a tender, would Arriva really put a bid in taking into account their current driver shortage. Arriva is the only one that makes sense though if you base it off TFGMs current plans of reducing the amount of operators on routes. Certainly a strange one. I know many areas are covered by other services but links to Newton le Willows could be lost as well as no service in Abram.

(01/11/2020 17:13)SF07 Wrote:  Hulleys have made some minor changes to the X56/X57 after one week of service with the X57 being given some extra running time along the Snake Pass. Adds about 5 minutes on journeys from Sheffield and 10 minutes on journeys from Manchester. This now allows the X56/X57 to run a more-balanced hourly service between Glossop and Manchester. Journey times are now 95 minutes (1 hour 35) from Sheffield and 100 minutes (1 hour 40) from Manchester.

Sunday journeys are re-timed as well, due to issues with parked cars at Fairholmes. Buses are now re-timed to run at 0915, 1115, 1315, 1515 and 1715 in both directions with the 1315 journey in both directions missing out Fairholmes and Bamford.

The two services have also had their stop at Henry Street in Glossop towards Shirebrook Park/Sheffield removed with buses running direct along High Street/Norfolk Square.

https://twitter.com/hulleysofbaslow/stat...8443417600

Are the changes on the 13:15 journeys to do with the Fairholmes parking as it looks to be that they need the bus to get to the other end for driver breaks.


EDIT
WOB have said on Twitter that the Newton to Wigan evenings will not be taken over by another operator. Properly withdrawn. Some lost links here and Abram without a bus service in the evening.
https://twitter.com/WarringtonBuses/stat...6478928896

[gilbert]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
The 42B/C and 378/378A/379 service changes are still an utter shambles over 3 months after they were introduced.It would appear giving the drivers of each 42C bus a half hour break at Handforth Dean is more important than the passengers deprived of 50% of their 42B bus services from Cheadle to Woodford. Passenger loads on the 42C [Schools Hill onwards] are still dismally low.

[Mrboo]

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(01/11/2020 10:31)acocker96 Wrote:  Has a bus service ever used Coal pit Lane? I’m weary of how narrow it is, the blind turns and the knobs who like to speed up and down there.

just did a check they put in a Width limit of 6' 6'' so would have to change that. But it would work having a bus from Limeside to Ashton.