Stagecoach MCSL - Chester & Wirral Depots

[R557 ABA]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral
Is Google Maps telling us something?



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[gka472l]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral
Just seen 34741 in Birkenhead on a 2 to Chester.

HTH

[mbonwick]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral

(17/10/2015 09:47)Dentonian Wrote:  Except that theory is shot down by the seven incorporating 5 ex Goldline and 2 12 yo 8.5 metre examples! OTOH, why would Chester CC have an input? Surely, city local services are fully commercial.......

They're all 9.2m...

I'm not sure what mechanism allows Chester CC to have a say on the services - but they are putting money towards the "better" vehicles. Perhaps its through some city-centre improvement initative.


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There is no chance of Stagecoach ordering E500s, which are aimed primarily at the export market. First ordered a few some years back - and they have been far from successful. Fuel consumption is particularly high, and spares for the engine (a slightly different Cummins unit to Enviro200s/400s etc) are hard to come by in Europe.

If there really is a need for more capacity on a route, then a frequency upgrade is the first port of call.

[E400]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral
That is strange! It could be some database fluke getting mixed up with the Wrexham-Chester Sapphire, with Google assuming it is a Wrexham to Liverpool service, but I seriously doubt it. How bizarre!

[Myllenium2453]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral
They could be used by stagecoach and arriva on overground only routes especially at the busiest times of the year they would be very handy. Massive capacity increase therefore more fares and revenue for the companies.

[E400]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral

(17/10/2015 10:45)R557 ABA Wrote:  Is Google Maps telling us something?



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I've just pulled the following API request for Birkenhead Bus Station Stand 6 and got a perculiar response:

{
"atcocode": "2800S22043F",
"smscode": "meramwjm",
"request_time": "2015-10-17T15:00:09+01:00",
"bearing": "",
"stop_name": "Birkenhead Bus Station",
"departures": {
"1": [
{
"mode": "bus",
"line": "1",
"direction": "Bus Exchange (Chester)",
[undefined=undefined] "operator": "2605",[/undefined]
"aimed_departure_time": "15:09",
"dir": "inbound",
"date": "2015-10-17",
"best_departure_estimate": "15:09",
"source": "Traveline timetable (not a nextbuses live region)"
},
{
"mode": "bus",
"line": "1",
"direction": "Bus Exchange (Chester)",[undefined=undefined]
"operator": "2867",[/undefined]
"aimed_departure_time": "15:09",
"dir": "inbound",
"date": "2015-10-17",
"best_departure_estimate": "15:09",
"source": "Traveline timetable (not a nextbuses live region)"
},
{
"mode": "bus",
"line": "1",
"direction": "Bus Exchange (Chester)",
[undefined=undefined]"operator": "2605",[/undefined]
"aimed_departure_time": "15:29",
"dir": "inbound",
"date": "2015-10-17",
"best_departure_estimate": "15:29",
"source": "Traveline timetable (not a nextbuses live region)"
}
]
}

You'll note that there are two listed operators for this service: 2605 & 2867, the second of which is running a service at the same time as the first at 15:09. Given that this data is sourced through Traveline, and therefore via VOSA, could this mean that Arriva is taking over some of the 1 journeys from Stagecoach at some point, and a data glitch has caused a premature leak?

[mbonwick]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral

(17/10/2015 13:52)Dentonian Wrote:  I thought M850 meant 8.5 metre.

It does...but none of the Solos transferred are 8.5m, they're all 9.2m/9.5m (essentially the same size vehicle that grew with emission requirements - just like the M850 becambe M880)

47034 Reserve KX03 KYY Optare Solo M920 Optare B33F 2003
47035 Reserve KX03 KYZ Optare Solo M920 Optare B33F 2003
47513 Reserve KX57 KGK Optare Solo M950 Optare DP29F 2007
47514 Reserve KX57 KGN Optare Solo M950 Optare DP29F 2007
47515 Reserve KX57 KGO Optare Solo M950 Optare DP29F 2007
47516 Reserve KX57 KGP Optare Solo M950 Optare DP29F 2007
47517 Reserve KX57 KGU Optare Solo M950 Optare DP29F 2007

[mbonwick]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral
To be fair, I do agree that it would help if certain publishers would check their info!

It's not like this info is a closely guarded secret either - it's published on plenty of sites (BLOTW being the bible!). Seating is a tricker area IMHO - but there's no excuse for getting lengths wrong.

To help your records Dentonian - this years Stagecoach Solo SR order is all M9200 (9.2m), except for 48021-5 (Norfolk Green) and 47967-80 (Midlands Goldline) which are M9900s (9.9m)

[Raawwwrrr!]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral

(17/10/2015 14:09)Enviro400 Wrote:  I've just pulled the following API request for Birkenhead Bus Station Stand 6....

You'll note that there are two listed operators for this service: 2605 & 2867, the second of which is running a service at the same time as the first at 15:09. Given that this data is sourced through Traveline, and therefore via VOSA, could this mean that Arriva is taking over some of the 1 journeys from Stagecoach at some point, and a data glitch has caused a premature leak?

It's an error. The operator code (as above) is what google have defined as "Arriva in Wales", where as all other tunnel services are classed as "Arriva North West/Merseyside".

It is highly doubtful that Chester Depot would operate such a service, and the only North West/Wales service left for conversion this season is the 263 at Manchester once the X1 service is launched.

[E400]

RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral

(17/10/2015 20:13)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  It's an error. The operator code (as above) is what google have defined as "Arriva in Wales", where as all other tunnel services are classed as "Arriva North West/Merseyside".

It is highly doubtful that Chester Depot would operate such a service, and the only North West/Wales service left for conversion this season is the 263 at Manchester once the X1 service is launched.

It's interesting that it's occurred at all and that it is specifying Sapphire. I guess it could be a conflict between Wrexham and Liverpool's 1's, but I don't understand how the operator got mixed up- it would be more understandable if Arriva ran both services.