Northern (Arriva Rail North)

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Manchester Airport to Barrow/Windermere included as well as Chester to Leeds but the enhancements through Stockport postponed from Dec 17 are still missing.

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Looks like this is set up to fail. Wigan-Alderley shown dmu, Alderley-Wigan cl.319, so presumably reliant on availability of class 769 despite needing
a) acceptance into traffic, bearing in mind one has been at Allerton for almost three months without turning a wheel.
b) suspension of the laws of physics to allow them to maintain Cl.319 acceleration with the extra weight of two diesel engines
c) crew training.
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Some Manchester Airport-Barrows are running as seperate trains to Preston and from Lancaster until the end of June - presumably because 195s are not expected in traffic - or were they to be 769s?

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
769s were never intended for the Barrow route.

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Thanks.
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They have managed to meet the four tph spec at Heaton Chapel and Levenshulme, although towards Manchester not all trains serve both.
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The residual Northern services via Ordsall Chord have gone
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[childwallblues]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Noted today on a trip from Lime Street to Hunts Cross were :-

Edge Hill Depot - 195105 331101 331106 331110
Allerton Depot Wheel Lathe - 319375
Allerton Depot- 769424 195111 195110 319371 769431

[Brickmill]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
I know I asked recently about timetable/stopping arrangements on the HVL (as in North Reddish, Romiley, Marple) from May, but probably more to the point; is there any chance whatsoever that short forming will reduce?

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
I doubt it - on past form they will just go on diagramming to an availability their depots cannot achieve, not to mention having to deal with two new classes, and a deteriorating pacer fleet.
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Looks as though the extra Hazel Grove-Picc introduced in December has gone - it may of course be because it wasn't in the original spec. Certainly some trains still missing on the Yorkshire side - but surprisingly a third Sheffield-York via Pontefract.

[boby32]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(19/03/2019 21:09)mikestone Wrote:  I doubt it - on past form they will just go on diagramming to an availability their depots cannot achieve, not to mention having to deal with two new classes, and a deteriorating pacer fleet.
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Looks as though the extra Hazel Grove-Picc introduced in December has gone - it may of course be because it wasn't in the original spec. Certainly some trains still missing on the Yorkshire side - but surprisingly a third Sheffield-York via Pontefract.

I think but I might be wrong that the hazcel grove-Picc service is still here.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/a...wtt&toc=NT

(RTT on 13/05/2019)

compared to

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/a...wtt&toc=NT

(RTT on 03/06/2019)

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Hazel Grove (and Buxton) got an additional hourly service last year meaning Hazel Grove has 3tph. That additional service remains in the new timetable, with one of the existing services retimed and extended to Blackpool.

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Sorry for any confusion, but I quite clearly refered to the train that started in December, which was just the 07.51 Hazel Grove - Piccadilly.