First Manchester

[Damien]

RE: First Manchester

(10/08/2012 21:38)DennisArrowLover2012 Wrote:  

(10/08/2012 17:32)Damien Wrote:  [quote='SF07' pid='11836' dateline='1344619032']
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In other news just had 31919 on the 572 talk about knackered gear box one gear all round that route, took ages.. Withdraw it now if it was up to me, but sadly it's not

must have been a slow driver as i went on this on Thursday & it was fine albeit been slow on the 519 due to it been early... & if you want an arrow with a knackered gearbox i would suggest to get on 31930 as that struggles more than anything else going! 1 gear all around on the 628 Kitt Green Circular revving to max & banging everytime it went into 3rd gear... Which was as many times as i can count on 1 hand.

The driver who was on 31919 can be described as a lot of things, but not slow, he does the 561/562 circulars then the Great Lever Circulars 571/572.31919 was reported with gear box issues when in Bury and was seen being driven away by a mechanic. 31920 the same as 31919 ok one day, out of service and struggling the next.

[M60lad]

RE: First Manchester
Considering some of Stagecoach Manchester's fleet is coming back this week after the Olympics with the Newcastle loans heading back does anybody know when First Manchester's fleet from Olympics along with the new vehicles their getting are due back up here or are they stopping down for Paralympics

[mic]

RE: First Manchester

(11/08/2012 07:23)M60lad Wrote:  Considering some of Stagecoach Manchester's fleet is coming back this week after the Olympics with the Newcastle loans heading back does anybody know when First Manchester's fleet from Olympics along with the new vehicles their getting are due back up here or are they stopping down for Paralympics

with the stagecoach ones they are due back this next week i would think the same with first buses

[mic]

RE: First Manchester

(10/08/2012 22:40)Damien Wrote:  

(10/08/2012 21:38)DennisArrowLover2012 Wrote:  

(10/08/2012 17:32)Damien Wrote:  [quote='SF07' pid='11836' dateline='1344619032']
[quote='Damien' pid='11750' dateline='1344560725']


In other news just had 31919 on the 572 talk about knackered gear box one gear all round that route, took ages.. Withdraw it now if it was up to me, but sadly it's not

must have been a slow driver as i went on this on Thursday & it was fine albeit been slow on the 519 due to it been early... & if you want an arrow with a knackered gearbox i would suggest to get on 31930 as that struggles more than anything else going! 1 gear all around on the 628 Kitt Green Circular revving to max & banging everytime it went into 3rd gear... Which was as many times as i can count on 1 hand.

The driver who was on 31919 can be described as a lot of things, but not slow, he does the 561/562 circulars then the Great Lever Circulars 571/572.31919 was reported with gear box issues when in Bury and was seen being driven away by a mechanic. 31920 the same as 31919 ok one day, out of service and struggling the next.

31919 had been on loan to Pioneer for a few days but sent home and replaced by 31924

[mic]

RE: First Manchester
the 100 buses due after games are also reported to be due for First West Yorkshire so not sure what is happining yet

[thomasl1231]

RE: First Manchester

(10/08/2012 22:40)Damien Wrote:  In other news just had 31919 on the 572 talk about knackered gear box one gear all round that route, took ages.. Withdraw it now if it was up to me, but sadly it's not

It was fine for the the last two times that I was on it, just slow. If it was stuck in one gear for the full route, that suggests to me that the driver had used gear selector buttons to hold it in one gear. There's R N D 2 1 - reverse, neutral, drive -1 holds whatever gear you're in, and 2 lets it change up one gear only, for example a change from 1 to 2 and then no more if I remember correctly.

[Damien]

RE: First Manchester

(11/08/2012 08:56)mic Wrote:  the 100 buses due after games are also reported to be due for First West Yorkshire so not sure what is happining yet

I think it comes down to which of the reports seems to carry the most weight.

First Manchester contact reports that it wont now be until September, when the kids are back, that the allocation changes happen, for example B9s which have been at the olympics are sent over to Bury for either 135 or 471 allocation, which has yet to be decided and made official. Also allocation changes happen at Bolton and Oldham, potential of some older stock being pulled from service. Also reported is that a lot of drivers are being sent on courses, potentially to do with new vehicles coming in and familirisation etc. So on the ground it seems that Oldham and Bolton are still expecting the new vehicles. I guess it is a case of wait and see or seeing is believing depending on your point of you.

[Damien]

RE: First Manchester

(11/08/2012 10:44)thomasl1231 Wrote:  

(10/08/2012 22:40)Damien Wrote:  In other news just had 31919 on the 572 talk about knackered gear box one gear all round that route, took ages.. Withdraw it now if it was up to me, but sadly it's not

It was fine for the the last two times that I was on it, just slow. If it was stuck in one gear for the full route, that suggests to me that the driver had used gear selector buttons to hold it in one gear. There's R N D 2 1 - reverse, neutral, drive -1 holds whatever gear you're in, and 2 lets it change up one gear only, for example a change from 1 to 2 and then no more if I remember correctly.

Wouldn't that overtime damage the engine thomas?

[thomasl1231]

RE: First Manchester

(11/08/2012 11:05)Damien Wrote:  

(11/08/2012 10:44)thomasl1231 Wrote:  

(10/08/2012 22:40)Damien Wrote:  In other news just had 31919 on the 572 talk about knackered gear box one gear all round that route, took ages.. Withdraw it now if it was up to me, but sadly it's not

It was fine for the the last two times that I was on it, just slow. If it was stuck in one gear for the full route, that suggests to me that the driver had used gear selector buttons to hold it in one gear. There's R N D 2 1 - reverse, neutral, drive -1 holds whatever gear you're in, and 2 lets it change up one gear only, for example a change from 1 to 2 and then no more if I remember correctly.

Wouldn't that overtime damage the engine thomas?

Over time it most likely would yes, however I've seen it happen before! They're supposed to be used in situations such as hill climbing apparently, however some drivers use them all the time. I suppose you have to on things such as Arrows, which tend to be not the fastest of all buses haha! :P More modern buses though such as B7RLEs and B9TLs for example don't have the 1 2 buttons though, they only have R N D from what I've seen!

[126th street]

RE: First Manchester
The 2 and 1 buttons don't function quite as posted. In 2 it won't change into top gear and in 1 it won't change into either of the highest two gears. Earlier Voith selectors as fitted to Metrobuses and so also have a third button which prevents it from changing into top.

These features were no doubt removed to prevent drivers abusing them, just as the kickdown switch beneath the accelerator is also often no longer provided. High revs = more fuel consumption which is why the newer ZF gearboxes in Volvo B9s, Scania Omnicitys and so on are very quick to shift up a low engine speeds.