Manchester Community Transport

[Nicholas]

RE: Manchester Community Transport
Only MMCs are being built, but they still have classics on stock which are sometimes advertised in the trade press.

[Metroline1511]

RE: Manchester Community Transport
The takeover of MCT by HCT Group has been highlighted in Coach & Bus Week. It was announced about 3 months ago that such talks were at an advanced stage. So I wonder whether the takeover has only just been completed?
https://cbwmagazine.com/hct-group-acquir...transport/

[NorthernCounties]

RE: Manchester Community Transport

(12/01/2018 17:29)ant17612 Wrote:  New here are ‘Classic’ Enviro200s YY67HBK and YY67HBL.

Both are have on hire notices in the windscreen saying they're on hire from ct plus, Yorkshire. They've also got MCT vinyls on

[knutstransport]

RE: Manchester Community Transport
New MCT registrations. Although at least one of the new routes appear to be revised existing routes with a new service number.

PC0005332/123 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: GEE CROSS APETHORN LANE to ASHTON BUS STATION via STALYBRIDGE, HYDE
Service number: 389
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/119 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: ASHTON BUS STATION to ASHTON BUS STATION via WATERLOO, WILSHAW LANE
Service number: 338
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/117 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: ASHTON BUS STATION to ASHTON BUS STATION via SMALLSHAW
Service number: 332
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/116 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: GLOSSOP TOWN CENTRE to ASHTON BUS STATION via STALYBRIDGE
Service number: 237
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/113 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: FARMER'S ARMS, SIMISTER LANE, SIMISTER to MANCHESTER, SHUDEHILL INTERCHANGE via SEDGLEY PARK HIGHER BROUGHTON
Service number: 96
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/111 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: ASHTON BUS STATION to ASHTON BUS STATION via HAZELHURST
Service number: 39
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

So we're still waiting to hear who has the new Altrincham to Manchester Airport contract (both MCT and Arriva have cancelled their existing 288 registrations.)

[SF07]

RE: Manchester Community Transport
Was some suggestion that D&G Bus might operate the 288 and form a half-hourly service with 88 between Altrincham and Hale Barns.

There were some more registrations from MCT yesterday:

PC0005332/121 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: ASHTON BUS STATION to HYDE BUS STATION via STALY BRIDGE
Service number: 387
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Apr 2018

PC0005332/120 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: STOCKPORT BUS STATION to NEWALL GREEN, HOSPITAL ROAD WYTHENSHAWE HOSPITAL via CHEADALE HULME, HEALD GREEN , WYTHENSHAWE
Service number: 368
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018

PC0005332/114 Registered
MANCHESTER COMMUNITY TRANSPORT LIMITED
Route: ASHTON BUS STATION to ASHTON BUS STATION via BROADOAK
Service number: 232
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Apr 2018

[knutstransport]

RE: Manchester Community Transport
Have TfGM specified the 288 timings to be half an hour before/after the 88 times?

Currently D&G charge more for an Altrincham to Hale Barnes ticket than MCT charge for an Altrincham to Manchester Airport ticket.

[Brickmill]

RE: Manchester Community Transport

(15/02/2018 21:02)knutstransport Wrote:  Have TfGM specified the 288 timings to be half an hour before/after the 88 times?

Currently D&G charge more for an Altrincham to Hale Barnes ticket than MCT charge for an Altrincham to Manchester Airport ticket.

What do D&G charge between Alty and Hale Barns (no "e", btw)? TFGM rules are that Operators can't charge more than the "commercial" equivalent for any given distance - albeit it only has the power to dictate single fares. Subsidised Operators can charge less. So, I suppose its possible that the 288 could be cheaper than the 88 for the same section. Daft/confusing as this may be, there are precedents. For instance, Reddish, Bulls Head to Reddish Houldsworth Square (1.2 miles according to the AA) is £2 single on subsidised service 42A, but £2.50 on commercial 203. Both services are run by Stagecoach. 42A is only subsidised between Reddish and East Didsbury btw, before anyone asks why TFGM are subsidising services along Wilmslow Road!

[Nwales Bus]

RE: Manchester Community Transport

(31/01/2018 16:47)NorthernCounties Wrote:  Both are have on hire notices in the windscreen saying they're on hire from ct plus, Yorkshire. They've also got MCT vinyls on

Could it be due to lack of discs. As Diamond used to operate buses in Manchester on Preston bus legals

[iMarkeh]

RE: Manchester Community Transport

(15/02/2018 22:13)Brickmill Wrote:  What do D&G charge between Alty and Hale Barns (no "e", btw)? TFGM rules are that Operators can't charge more than the "commercial" equivalent for any given distance - albeit it only has the power to dictate single fares. Subsidised Operators can charge less. So, I suppose its possible that the 288 could be cheaper than the 88 for the same section. Daft/confusing as this may be, there are precedents. For instance, Reddish, Bulls Head to Reddish Houldsworth Square (1.2 miles according to the AA) is £2 single on subsidised service 42A, but £2.50 on commercial 203. Both services are run by Stagecoach. 42A is only subsidised between Reddish and East Didsbury btw, before anyone asks why TFGM are subsidising services along Wilmslow Road!

MCT is only around really as a company to provide a service where Stagecoach and the likes would charge too much. Basically ran in the public interest. Stagecoach and D&G are ran for a profit whether that be to improve services or money for the directors profits is a different matter. The point is they are there for profit. With MCT, they get the same money from TFGM if they make £2 or £20,000 it isn't an issue for them, they get paid the same.

[knutstransport]

RE: Manchester Community Transport

(15/02/2018 22:13)Brickmill Wrote:  What do D&G charge between Alty and Hale Barns (no "e", btw)? TFGM rules are that Operators can't charge more than the "commercial" equivalent for any given distance - albeit it only has the power to dictate single fares. Subsidised Operators can charge less. So, I suppose its possible that the 288 could be cheaper than the 88 for the same section. Daft/confusing as this may be, there are precedents. For instance, Reddish, Bulls Head to Reddish Houldsworth Square (1.2 miles according to the AA) is £2 single on subsidised service 42A, but £2.50 on commercial 203. Both services are run by Stagecoach. 42A is only subsidised between Reddish and East Didsbury btw, before anyone asks why TFGM are subsidising services along Wilmslow Road!

D&G charge flat £3.50 single/£5 return fares on the 88 unless you're making a very short journey (which doesn't include Hale Barnes to Altrincham.) Last year when I used the MCT 288 route is was £2.20 single from the Airport to Altrincham.

It's worth remembering the 88 is not a commercial route and even on the new timetable being introduced on 1st April where there will both commercial and subsided journeys, the commercial ones will only run between Wilmslow and Knutsford.

I thought there was a rule which stated subsided services can't compete with commercial ones but how that is interpreted seems to vary between different areas. TfGM seem to think an evening peak time extra contracted service in between two commercial services is permitted, other local authorities seem to think contracted services can only start after the last commercial journey has operated.