MTL Manchester

[gilesbus1]

RE: MTL Manchester
MTL in addition also operated the 17 Manchester - Rochdale using the Atlantean deckers usually and the 135 using Volvo B6 midi's that where new but not the full route.

[PSbusdriver]

RE: MTL Manchester

(11/07/2012 20:45)moreton407 Wrote:  What routes did MTL Manchester run? And seperately, what buses did Lancashire Travel operate into the GM area?

The initial routes by MTL Manchester were circular services 18M/19M, which started the initial operations off before they moved on to adding direct competing routes with GM Buses North and GMS Buses.

The above two routes being withdrawn but other competing routes were then added as follows, unsure of precise dates as they were introduced in batches as vehicles became available.

The routes here were due to have commenced by 7th February 1994.
14 Stockport - Offerton Circular (Every 10 mins).
42X Manchester - East Didsbury (Every 10 mins).
43 Manchester - Wythenshawe (Every 20 mins).
43X Manchester - West Didsbury (Every 20 mins).
58 Oldham - Rochdale (Every 30 mins).
76 Manchester - Oldham (Every 30 mins).
82 Manchester - Waterhead (Every 10 mins).
105 Manchester - Wythenshawe (Every 30 mins).
106 Manchester - Wythenshawe (Every 30 mins).
203 Manchester - Stockport (Every 20 mins).

Of the services above services 43/43X combined to provide a 10 minute frequency between Manchester and West Didsbury at this time, and services 105/106 combined to operate every 15 minutes along Princess Road.

Due to commence on 28th February 1994.
204 Manchester - Haughton Green (Every 20 mins).
255 Manchester - Partington (Every 30 mins).
263 Manchester - Altrincham (Every 30 mins).

Other routes which probably started at a later date for which I am not sure are as follows:-

14X Manchester - Stretford (Every 30 mins).
50 Manchester - East Didsbury (Every 10 mins).
52 Old Trafford - Failsworth (Every 30 mins).
86 Manchester - Chorlton, Arrowfield Road (Every 10 mins).
135 Manchester - Bury.
136 Manchester - Whitefield.
245 Altrincham - Stretford/Flixton. (Every 30 mins).

Service 245 operated short journeys as well between Altrincham and Stretford also every 30 minutes, combining to operate on an odd frequency with buses at alternating 10/20 min gaps over the combined section of route.

[MPTE1955]

RE: MTL Manchester
Wonder if anybody has an MTL Manchester fleetlist. Full of nationals from all corners.

[St Helens Rider]

RE: MTL Manchester

(13/04/2020 16:11)MPTE1955 Wrote:  Wonder if anybody has an MTL Manchester fleetlist. Full of nationals from all corners.

Nationals and mostly East Lancs bodied Atlanteans from what I've seen of footage from the time.

[MPTE1955]

RE: MTL Manchester

(13/04/2020 21:01)St Helens Rider Wrote:  Nationals and mostly East Lancs bodied Atlanteans from what I've seen of footage from the time.

Yes, thanks and I've just realised that another forum member has listed the nationsls on the first page of this thread. The east lancs atlanteans were all on R&S plates from merseyside with a few P plates from Blackburn I think.

[Gillmoss 0324]

RE: MTL Manchester
I know when MTL Manchester was starting to be wound down the LKF-R and MTJ-S Atlanteans mostly moved back to GL with some in service still having 'MTL Manchester' logos for a few days before quickly getting back the Merseybus ones, the MTL corporate livery mean't this could be done fairly quickly.

I think Garston got a few of these East Lancs ones too but not as many as GL they were handy replacements for time expired Alexander Atlanteans which started disappearing around the summer of '95 to Autumn' 96.

Some newer T and V-reg East Lancs Atty's also transferred to GL, Garston and Southport around this time too and they sort of stuck around until '96 when Garston transferred to Speke depot and Titan's got drafted in to GL and Speke during 96-97 too.

Don't really know what happened to the PCW-P Atlanteans after MTL Manchester. I think MerseyRider may have used an odd one briefly before they went to Miles Platting and they're 11** fleetnumbers recycled numbers from MPTE days. IIRC they didn't run for Merseybus or any other MTL unit on Merseyside so I assume they got cannibalised/scrapped back then. Also IIRC they had slightly different bodywork to the indigenous Merseyside ones too. I think I may have used one one of these on a Stockport route or the 203 back then but not 100% certain.

Can't help with the National's as so many passed through and not all of them MTL acquired were runners/only got used for spares. MTL may have acquired them from similar sources to where CMT got their National's back then too it rings a bell as CMT had some similar National's to these ones. A handful of SKF-T's and National 2's also went to Manchester I think these were the ones GMB North got when they entered into the deal with MTL. Also MTL originally acquired some National's as part of a plan for MTL Engineering to refurbish these/sell refurbished to other operators which didn't really come off. I know the Manchester expansion and acquisition of the National's slowed down the Titan refurbishment at EL with a fair few still dual doored and in faded London red as long as 1996 until these un-refurbished one's got MTL corporate livery shame the refrurbed Titan's looked great. To be fair MTL probably stopped the Titan refurbishment due to getting the Wright Volvo's and other new and modern vehicles due to acquirig Liverbus and London transfers like the Alexander/Scania's back then.

Hope this helps and sorry I haven't got much info on the National's nor MTL's Manc adventures either it was an interesting time back then when GMN/GMS and MTL when up against each other for a few years or so.

[MPTE1955]

RE: MTL Manchester
Thanks,. One of the PCw-P atlanteans did see service here but not for long, can't remember where it ran from ,that was was 1111 I think. The slow down in the titan refurbishment came from the closure of edge lane works, so the remainders were just repainted , 2425 is one that springs to mind but there weren't many. Most of the unrefurbished ones came from the village acquisition. The Lkf-R and MTJ-S atlanteans didn't last long when they came back.

[teenagewasteland]

RE: MTL Manchester
MTL Manchester allocation September 1994. Taken from PSV Circle monthly sheets.

1105 PCW105P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1106 PCW106P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1108 PCW108P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1109 PCW109P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1110 PCW110P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1111 PCW111P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1112 PCW112P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1113 PCW113P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1116 PCW116P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 East Lancashire H45/31F Miles Platting ex-Blackburn Transport, 11/93
1203 IIL2503 Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1204 OIW5804 Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1975 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1214 KBU914P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1975 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1215 LJA615P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1219 LJA619P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1236 LJA636P Leyland Atlantean AN68A/1R 1976 Northern Counties H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Basichour, Ecclesfield, 3/94
1726 LKF726R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1727 LKF727R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1728 LKF728R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1730 LKF730R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1731 LKF731R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1732 LKF732R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1734 LKF734R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1741 LKF741R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1743 LKF743R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1744 LKF744R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1749 LKF749R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1752 LKF752R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1753 LKF753R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1754 LKF754R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1755 LKF755R Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1756 MTJ756S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1757 MTJ757S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1758 MTJ758S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1759 MTJ759S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1760 MTJ760S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1761 MTJ761S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1762 MTJ762S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1763 MTJ763S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1764 MTJ764S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
1765 MTJ765S Leyland Atlantean AN68B/1R 1977 East Lancashire H43/32F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
5200 MTJ773S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
5202 AHH202T Leyland National 10351B/1R 1978 Leyland National B44F Miles Platting ex-Stagecoach Cumberland, 11/93
5204 TRN804V Leyland National 10351B/1R 1979 Leyland National B44F Miles Platting ex-Stagecoach Cumberland, 11/93
5208 YBO148T Leyland National 10351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B44F Miles Platting ex-Rhondda, 1/94
5209 SPC269R Leyland National 10351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Luton and District, 3/94
5210 AKY610T Leyland National 10351B/1R 1979 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
5211 AKY611T Leyland National 10351B/1R 1979 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
5212 AKY612T Leyland National 10351B/1R 1979 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
5223 UPB323S Leyland National 10351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 3/94
5223 UPB323S Leyland National 10351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Luton and District, 3/94
5227 UTX727S Leyland National 10351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
5230 DDW430V Leyland National 10351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
5261 PJT261R Leyland National 10351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-BHT Buses, 4/94
5263 LDW363P Leyland National 10351/1R 1975 Leyland National B41F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6002 SKF2T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6003 SKF3T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6005 SKF5T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6006 SKF6T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6007 SKF7T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6008 SKF8T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6009 SKF9T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6010 SKF10T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6012 SKF12T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Merseyside PTE, 10/86
6013 DAK613V Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6014 SKF14T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Yorkshire, 6/94
6015 SKF15T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Yorkshire, 6/94
6017 SKF17T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Yorkshire, 6/94
6020 YFB970V Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 4/94
6021 YFB971V Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 4/94
6023 KHT123P Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 3/94
6025 FBV525S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Fishwick's Leyland, 11/93
6027 CBV797S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Stagecoach Ribble, 5/94
6030 OHW490R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 2/94
6032 UHG732R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Stagecoach Ribble, 5/94
6033 TTC533T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 3/94
6044 URA604S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6047 BAL607T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6048 BAL608T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6049 BAL609T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6051 UTU981R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6054 PVF354R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-BHT Buses, 4/94
6055 JHW105P Leyland National 11351/1R 1975 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 4/94
6056 XCW956R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Fishwick's Leyland, 11/93
6057 KHT117P Leyland National 11351/1R 1976 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 4/94
6061 WUH161T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6064 NWO464R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National DP48F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6066 PVF366R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-BHT Buses, 4/94
6067 VKE567S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6071 WUH161T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6073 PVF373R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-BHT Buses, 4/94
6074 NWO474R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6077 BSF767S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Burrow, Ogmore Vale, 11/93
6080 VBG80V Leyland National 2 NL116L11/1R 1980 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6088 UHG748R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Stagecoach Cumberland, 12/93
6091 RAU601R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6092 OTO592R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-East Midland, 1/94
6093 PCK193P Leyland National 11351/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Fishwick's Leyland, 11/93
6174 NFB604R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6175 TTC535T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6176 TTC536T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6178 TTC538T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, ?/??
6179 TTC539T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 2/94
6180 TTC540T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 4/94
6190 OHW492R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-??????????????????
6191 OHW491R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6192 OHW492R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 3/94
6193 OHW493R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1977 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6197 NFB597R Leyland National 11351A/1R 1976 Leyland National B52F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 2/94
6199 BHY999V Leyland National 2 NL116L11/1R 1980 Leyland National DP48F Miles Platting ex-Badgerline, 8/94
6996 KDW354P Leyland National 11351A/1R 1975 Leyland National DP48F Miles Platting ex-Red and White, 2/94
6998 VKE570S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Oxford Bus Company, 10/93
7220 L220TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7221 L221TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7222 L222TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7223 L223TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7224 L224TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7225 L225TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7226 L226TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7227 L227TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
7228 L228TKA Volvo B6-9.9M 1994 Plaxton Pointer B38F Miles Platting
no fleet num YEV310S Leyland National 11351A/1R 1978 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Thamesway, 9/94
no fleet num DAR122T Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Thamesway, 9/94
no fleet num XEU860T Leyland National 10351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B44F Miles Platting ex-Thamesway, 9/94
no fleet num JHJ141V Leyland National 11351A/1R 1979 Leyland National B49F Miles Platting ex-Thamesway, 9/94