Arriva's 2013-15 Orders

[126th street]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders

(21/03/2014 13:35)steve517757 Wrote:  The amount of Euro5 products that can be delivered in 2014 is very restricted.

Euro6 exemptions apply for UK models and for a maximum of 250 of each model (which must have been produced at Euro5) - I am imagining the Streetlite must be nearing hitting that limit gvien the First order.

Foreign based models such as Volvo, even where bodied by Wrights do not meet the criteria for Euro6 exemption.

As for the SB200 ... yes it is being produced as a Euro6 model, but not offered with a RHD option, and loads of LHD SB200s wont be of much used travelling around the centre of Merseyside

You're wrong on at least three of those points, I'm afraid...

[mbonwick]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders
Can you please correct those points then? Cos I for one am very unclear as to how many E5 vehicles can still be produced...everywhere you look is a different number!

[Wright Eclipse]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders

(21/03/2014 16:35)mbonwick Wrote:  Can you please correct those points then? Cos I for one am very unclear as to how many E5 vehicles can still be produced...everywhere you look is a different number!

I Think its something like if its a UK Manufacturer (Wright,ADL,Optare) they can produce upto 350 E5 Vehicles,if its out of UK (Volvo,Scania,VDL) They can only produce 20 But im not 100% certain on it

[kuyoyo]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders

(19/03/2014 20:02)MX59 JZJ Wrote:  Updated Order List March 19 2014

Arriva North East
29 Wrightbus StreetLite Max
8 Wrightbus Pulsar 2
6 Alexander Dennis Enviro400
6 Wrightbus Gemini 3

Arriva North West
28 Unknown Double Deck (19 for Speke, 9 for Southport)
6 Wrightbus Pulsar 2

Arriva Buses Wales
20 Alexander Dennis Enviro400
15 Wrightbus Pulsar 2

Arriva Yorkshire
4 Optare Solo SR

Arriva Midlands
29 Wrightbus Pulsar 2
18 Wrightbus StreetLite Max
?? Double Deckers

Arriva Southern Counties (includes Kent, Essex, Bucks, etc)
22 Wrightbus StreetLite Max
8 Wrightbus StreetLite EV
2 Alexander Dennis Enviro400

Known to be for Arriva, but mystery destination

1 Wrightbus StreetLite Max Micro Hybrid

Make Model Quantity Ordered
Wrightbus StreetLite Max 70
Wrightbus Pulsar 2 58
Alexander Dennis Enviro400 28
Wrightbus Gemini 3 6
Unknown Double Deck 28
Wrightbus StreetLite EV 8
Optare Solo SR 4
Total Vehicles Ordered So Far 202

NB: Gemini order possibly for B9TL Gemini 2s - not 100% confirmed.

New order news regarding the North East - due to the order lag time, there has now been a change for the decker order, all 12 deckers for the North East will now be Enviro400s, 6 to normal specification for the long X18 service (Newcastle-Alnwick-Berwick) and 6 'Sapphire' examples for the X21/X22 (Newcastle-Ashington(-Newbiggin X21 only)).

[SL64 JFK]

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(22/03/2014 21:44)kuyoyo Wrote:  New order news regarding the North East - due to the order lag time, there has now been a change for the decker order, all 12 deckers for the North East will now be Enviro400s, 6 to normal specification for the long X18 service (Newcastle-Alnwick-Berwick) and 6 'Sapphire' examples for the X21/X22 (Newcastle-Ashington(-Newbiggin X21 only)).

Thanks Tony, I have updated my post on Page 6 with your information and credited it to you.

[steve517757]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders

(21/03/2014 15:55)126th street Wrote:  You're wrong on at least three of those points, I'm afraid...

OK please explain - I was under the impression that National Small Series Type Approval (NSSTA) was being used to circumnavigate the Euro6 requirements. If this is the case and I have misunderstood the terms of this scheme I am happy to be corrected.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca//vehicletype/n...series.asp

And here is route-one's summery of Euro5 derogation

"Derogation is potentially messy and complex, but in short,
any single-stage (e.g. integral) or multi-stage (e.g. bodyon-
chassis) vehicle must have a valid COC (Certificate of
Conformity) issued before 30 September if the vehicle is to
be derogated for registration next year.
Chassis built after this date need to be registered before
31 December.
Derogated Euro 5 vehicles can be registered up to 30 June
2015; this includes Stage 1 of multi-stage construction.
Single-stage (integrals) have to be registered by June 2014.
However, funding vehicle production will be the ultimate
constraint as to how many vehicles will be available.
An alternative is the Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) or
National Small Series Type Approval (NSSTA) route. The
UK has not issued the required statutory regulation to
update IVA/NSSTA to require Euro 6 engines. Therefore, it is
possible to produce Euro 5 vehicles.
There is no plan to update the process before mid-2014,
but this is not fixed. Any change would usually be preceded
by a consultation, legal papers and notification period, a
process taking 12 months minimum and the process has not
yet started.
However, the Department for Transport (DfT) could ‘rush’ it
through, so there’s no guarantee.
Certainly for the first half of 2014 it will be possible to
purchase Euro 5 buses via the NSSTA or IVA routes. This is
more costly (around £750) than European Whole Vehicle
Type Approval (WVTA), but cheaper than Euro 6."

[H101GEV (Administrator)]

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(18/03/2014 20:32)126th street Wrote:  It depends on what variant they order. If they go for Euro 5 they will be the current design and if they plump for Euro 6 then it will be the revised example, a la the disguised one that has been seen already.

Alexander Dennis have a product brochure for the Euro VI (or Euro 6) Enviro400 on their website, and it is the same general design as the Euro V bus, with the differences such as the extended overhang already seen on prototypes MX12EOC and SN63VTX. The brochure is here: http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-conte...cation.pdf.

I could be misunderstanding you here, but by 'disguised one', I think you mean the rather ugly brute we saw a photo of some months ago. The product brochure, however, implies that at least early orders for Euro VI Enviro400s will not be that disguised 'facelifted' design, but rather the same appearance as the prototypes.

[mbonwick]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders
507009 is right - the facelift of the Enviro400 is separate from the change from euro5 to euro6.

The 'new' Enviro400 is expected to be unveiled around May time, so until then any order for euro6 Enviro400s will be the current model.

[kuyoyo]

RE: Arriva's 2013-15 Orders
Further news here from the North East:

The order for 8 Pulsars for Jesmond for service 306 is now 8 Streetlite Max 'Mirco-Hybrid', along with the 5 for Durham plus an additional 2 for Ashington for service 35/35a. The 6 Enviro400s for the X18 will now be to the new 'Arriva Max' specification which is e-leather seats and Wi-Fi (so is broadly a step down from 'Sapphire').

[SL64 JFK]

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Tony, thanks for the update on the goings-on in the North East with the orders, very much appreciated.

Updated Order List April 6 2014

Arriva North East
39 Wrightbus StreetLite Max (6 Micro-Hybrids)
12 Alexander Dennis Enviro400 (6 Sapphire, 6 'Max' specification) - Thanks kuyoyo (06.04.14)

Arriva North West
19 Unknown Double Deck
9 Alexander Dennis Enviro400 (Southport, thanks B10B6514)
6 Wrightbus Pulsar 2

Arriva Buses Wales
20 Alexander Dennis Enviro400
15 Wrightbus Pulsar 2

Arriva Yorkshire
4 Optare Solo SR
15 to 20 unknown minibuses (thanks Wright Eclipse)

Arriva Midlands
29 Wrightbus Pulsar 2
18 Wrightbus StreetLite Max
?? Double Deckers

Arriva Southern Counties (includes Kent, Essex, Bucks, etc)
22 Wrightbus StreetLite Max
8 Wrightbus StreetLite EV
2 Alexander Dennis Enviro400

Known to be for Arriva, but mystery destination

1 Wrightbus StreetLite Max Micro Hybrid

Make Model Quantity Ordered
Wrightbus StreetLite Max 80
Wrightbus Pulsar 2 50
Alexander Dennis Enviro400 43
Unknown Double Deck 19
Unknown Minibus 15 to 20
Wrightbus StreetLite EV 8
Optare Solo SR 4
Total Vehicles Ordered So Far 219 to 224