Northern (Arriva Rail North)

[Gordon V]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(15/06/2019 19:42)ant17612 Wrote:  323225 will work the 2052 Wigan North Western to Liverpool Lime Street.

It also worked 1945 Liverpool to Wigan via Golborne,the above being the first 323 passenger carrying service from Wigan to Liverpool via St Helens Central to my knowledge and likewise the outward trip being the first passenger carrying 323 via Golborne Jn to Wigan to my knowledge.

[Gordon V]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(15/06/2019 14:34)ant17612 Wrote:  195002 and 195112 are currently stabled on Wigan Carriage Sidings.

Being used for traincrew familiarisation

[ant17612]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(15/06/2019 23:36)Gordon V Wrote:  It also worked 1945 Liverpool to Wigan via Golborne,the above being the first 323 passenger carrying service from Wigan to Liverpool via St Helens Central to my knowledge and likewise the outward trip being the first passenger carrying 323 via Golborne Jn to Wigan to my knowledge.

A failed 319 was blocking the normal route.

[Gordon V]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(16/06/2019 00:17)ant17612 Wrote:  A failed 319 was blocking the normal route.

Yes hence the diversion

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
News on new rolling stock and green train proposals https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-cont...Update.pdf

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Real problems on the Mid Cheshire line today. Who knew a 2 car 142 would struggle when both the Cheshire Show and cricket world cup are on?

[Barney]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(18/06/2019 12:17)knutstransport Wrote:  Real problems on the Mid Cheshire line today. Who knew a 2 car 142 would struggle when both the Cheshire Show and cricket world cup are on?

Unlike Merseyrail, Northern seems incapable of reacting to increased demand when special events occur on their network. Is it poor management or a lack of spare rolling stock?

[iMarkeh]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
Merseytravels form of crowd control is missing out half the stops and close the city centre stations reducing people's travel opportunities. It's a bit harder to do that when you have a minimum service requirement.

[wirralbus]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(19/06/2019 08:35)Barney Wrote:  Unlike Merseyrail, Northern seems incapable of reacting to increased demand when special events occur on their network. Is it poor management or a lack of spare rolling stock?

Its a case unlike Merseyrail of not robbing peter to pay paul.

When Merseyrail need to increase the service on some lines , they have a pecking order of what to do , pull services of some of the lesser used services , ie Ellesmere Port , either replacing with a bus service or a rail shuttle , something like that could easily be done with Northern , but the problem is at Northern , you are dealing with at least 5 different PTA areas each with there own agenda , even though they come under the umbrella of Rail North.

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(19/06/2019 12:21)wirralbus Wrote:  Its a case unlike Merseyrail of not robbing peter to pay paul.

When Merseyrail need to increase the service on some lines , they have a pecking order of what to do , pull services of some of the lesser used services , ie Ellesmere Port , either replacing with a bus service or a rail shuttle , something like that could easily be done with Northern , but the problem is at Northern , you are dealing with at least 5 different PTA areas each with there own agenda , even though they come under the umbrella of Rail North.

Northern did still run an ECS from Chester to Newton Heath yesterday morning instead of keeping the extra 150 out in service to strengthen "off-peak" services.

Northern also do rob Peter to pay Paul daily so they short form rather than cancel services.