MTL Manchester

[126th street]

RE: MTL Manchester
Thanks for the list. I had thought that there were quite a few more than that actually but there you go. They also had a few of the L-TKA Volvo B6s from new which were branded up for MTL Manchester's 135 to Bury as I remember.

How on earth they thought purchasing battered old Nationals in such quantity was a good idea I will never know. Some of them were B-series examples I think.

[MPTE1955]

RE: MTL Manchester

(07/07/2012 15:09)mathias Wrote:  MTL bought lots of secondhand Leyland National1s in 1993/94 from various sources including Cumberland, East Midlands, Red & White, Badgerline, Fishwick and BHT Buses of Bournemouth, as well as having the original MPTE stock.

They were all fleet-numbered in the 52xx, 60xx and 61xx series, leaving room for the Neoplans (64xx-series) and Strider and Wright-bodied Volvo B10Bs (63xx, 65xx series).

The full list of MTL Manchester National1s in 1994 was;

MTL 5208(YBO 148T), 5209(SPC 269R), 5210(AKY 610T), 5211(AKY 611T), 5212(AKY 612T), 5223(UPB 323S), 5227(UTX 727S), 5230(DDW 430V), 5263(LDW 363P).

MTL 6002(SKF 2T), 6003(SKF 3T), 6005(SKF 5T), 6006(SKF 6T), 6007(SKF 7T), 6008(SKF 8T), 6009(SKF 9T), 6010(SKF 10T), 6012(SKF 12T), 6013(DAK 613V), 6020(YFB 970V), 6021(YFB 971V), 6023(KHT 123P), 6025(FBV 525S), 6028(GLP 428T), 6032(UHG 732R), 6033(TTC 533T), 6044(URA 604S), 6047(BAL 607T), 6048(BAL 608T), 6049(BAL 609T), 6051(UTU 981R), 6054(PVF 354R), 6056(XCW 956R), 6061(WUH 161T), 6064(NWO 464R), 6067(VKE 567S), 6070(VKE 570S), 6071(HCW 761N), 6074(NWO 474R), 6075(PCD 75R), 6077(BSF 767S), 6087(VFX 987S), 6088(UHG 748R), 6091(RAU 601R), 6092(OTO 592R), 6093(PCK 193P).

MTL 6178(TTC 538T), 6179(TTC 539T), 6180(TTC 540T), 6186(WGY 586S), 6187(WGY 587S), 6190(OHW 490R), 6192(OHW 492R) and 6197(NFB 597R).
(Source; North West Bus Handbook 1994).

Hope this helps

6013 - 6093 were not original MTL Stock and these would have been brought in, the SKF's were but cant remember the last one of these but they went up to at least SKF 28T (6028 the fleet number). The original 6087-6093 would have been VBG 87V - 93V. I have a feeling that 5209 & 5223 might have ended up with CMT, if not they certainly had one or two of those batches, maybe somebody else may to be able to confirm.

[CX06 EBK (Administrator)]

RE: MTL Manchester
While CMT did have buses out of those two batches, neither of those were owned by them although UPB 323S was later sold on to Delta, Mansfield.

[MPTE1955]

RE: MTL Manchester

(08/07/2012 20:01)CX06 EBK Wrote:  While CMT did have buses out of those two batches, neither of those were owned by them although UPB 323S was later sold on to Delta, Mansfield.

Thanks, I knew that they had buses from those batches, just wasnt sure of the numbers, I had seen that SPC 269R somewhere though, FAREWAY had a R-Plated national 1 after the takeover as well, but what it was I couldnt really remember.

[CX06 EBK (Administrator)]

RE: MTL Manchester
Also SKF-Ts went from SKF1-30T. CMT had various types of Nationals, I have a list that is most, if not all of them, but that is for another topic.

[mathias]

RE: MTL Manchester
CMT Buses owned 1079(UPB 309S), 1080(UPB 317S) and 1082(UPB 308S) all short 10.3 metre (10351) models according to the handbook.

Getting back to MTL Manchester, the MTL 52xx series were also all shorter 10351 models with 5210, 5211 and 5212 being the only B-series Nationals allocated to Manchester (wasn't the depot in Norton Street, Miles Platting?).

The MTL 60xx and 61xx series were all of the longer 11.3 metre (11351) version.


Photos of MTL National1s (also known as Leyland Clack-clacks);


MTL 5227(UTX 727S);
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nedbasher/5974919113/
(Photo Credit; Ned Basher)

MTL 6013(DAK 613V) and 6025(FBV 525S);
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_simpson/2985949977/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_simpson/2986805450/
(Photo Credits; Ian R. Simpson)

MTL 6056(XCW 956R);
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nedbasher/5966775364/
(Photo Credit; Ned Basher)

Ex-MTL 6075(PCD 75R) when photographed after withdrawal in Birmingham, 1996;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/4842215532/
(Photo Credit; Walsall1955)

And MTL 6190(OHW 490R);
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nedbasher/5966219345/
(Photo Credit; Ned Basher).

Hope this helps

[moreton407]

RE: MTL Manchester
What routes did MTL Manchester run? And seperately, what buses did Lancashire Travel operate into the GM area?

[Metroline1511]

RE: MTL Manchester

(11/07/2012 20:45)moreton407 Wrote:  What routes did MTL Manchester run? And seperately, what buses did Lancashire Travel operate into the GM area?

At least one route I remember seeing a pic of a National on at the time was route 263. Whether this was the full stretch from Manchester to Altrincham I am not sure. Maybe the bus wars explain why this route is operated by Arriva (ex-North Western) rather than Stagecoach (ex-GMS) now?

[moreton407]

RE: MTL Manchester
I know they operates a 42 between Piccadilly and East Didsbury - but so did everyone else in Manchester!

[gilesbus1]

RE: MTL Manchester
A few bits on this:-

MTL Manchester bought Nationals as they where cheap and easy to get hold of as many where reaching end of service life. A large different quantity of stocks where tipped into including Fishwicks, Badgerline, East Midlands and various others.

Lancashire Travel generally operated the following into Greater Manchester, Leyland National 2's many based at Bolton Copachways depot at Bolton which MTL bought, they can be identified as all these past to GM Buses North after sale, Volvo B10B's Wright Endurance worked some of the longer routes namely L501-513TKA and also working where Metrobuses both MKI and II examples and Olympians o251-o260 which where based at St Helens initially, also working in later on prior to closure was the odd Leyland Titan TN but they really where meant for routes in copetition with WBT in Warrington but I have photographic eveidence of one working into Manchester Piccadilly Bus Station and I also have recollectiosn of seeing one in Leigh.