Finglands

[Valandil]

RE: Finglands
First has been given OFT approval to acquire Finglands.
(Source: Bus and Coach Buyer magazine).

[M60lad]

RE: Finglands
Take over date of Finglands by First is 9 February which gives people just over a week now to get photos of any of Finglands fleet they actually need and while I've heard that some of Finglands fleet my be retained in the short term I do know that First Manchester have got vehicles poised and ready to enter service

[Valandil]

RE: Finglands

(31/01/2014 08:36)M60lad Wrote:  Take over date of Finglands by First is 9 February which gives people just over a week now to get photos of any of Finglands fleet they actually need and while I've heard that some of Finglands fleet my be retained in the short term I do know that First Manchester have got vehicles poised and ready to enter service

To be honest, I'm quite surprised that the vehicles weren't included in the acquisition.
Hopefully the vehicles First get in will be decent.

[DVL418]

RE: Finglands

(31/01/2014 09:30)Valandil Wrote:  

(31/01/2014 08:36)M60lad Wrote:  Take over date of Finglands by First is 9 February which gives people just over a week now to get photos of any of Finglands fleet they actually need and while I've heard that some of Finglands fleet my be retained in the short term I do know that First Manchester have got vehicles poised and ready to enter service

To be honest, I'm quite surprised that the vehicles weren't included in the acquisition.
Hopefully the vehicles First get in will be decent.

It may be because the Finglands fleet is non-standard as far as First is concerned and/or First have enough surplus buses of their own becoming available to cascade.

Another explanation may be that perhaps East Yorkshire require the Finglands vehicles for re-allocation elsewhere in their own operations.

[Gillmoss 0324]

RE: Finglands
Probably this was the best outcome as First sort of ensures some form of competition with Stagecoach on the Wilmslow Road corridor and the only other option Arriva wasn’t really interested adding Finglands to their Manchester operations strange given their substantial operations in Wythenshawe, Sale and Altricham and that they used to operate on Wilmslow Road in the 1990’s. It will be interesting to see how First promotes itself on Wilmslow Road. Will they brand/promote themselves specifically for the student market or will they merge some of their North Manchester/Oldham/Rochdale routes into cross city routes in partnership with TfGM like the 18 and use Finglands route network and extend these routes to Northenden, East Didsbury/Stockport or Sale/Altrincham? I also wonder whether JPT might be tempted to come on to the Wilmslow Road and will Stagecoach retaliate against First in some way?

The deal is win-win for EYMS as it enables them to cascade a fairly modern fleet of low floor vehicles that are common with the main East Yorkshire operation that will see off the last of their step entrance vehicles and Finglands Enviro 300’s would be very useful in beginning the replacement process for B10BLE’s and MAN’s which possibly still have a few years left in them but will need to be replaced at some point over the next few years.

Interesting times ahead.

[jimbo]

RE: Finglands
Interesting means possible new bus war

[DVL418]

RE: Finglands

(31/01/2014 20:51)jimbo Wrote:  Interesting means possible new bus war

Er, I doubt it as First will need to properly 'digest' the Finglands operation and it is in neither First nor Stagecoach's interest to embark on a wasteful squabble against each other in this part of the world.

[Metroline1511]

RE: Finglands

(31/01/2014 15:31)Gillmoss 0324 Wrote:  Probably this was the best outcome as First sort of ensures some form of competition with Stagecoach on the Wilmslow Road corridor and the only other option Arriva wasn’t really interested adding Finglands to their Manchester operations strange given their substantial operations in Wythenshawe, Sale and Altricham and that they used to operate on Wilmslow Road in the 1990’s. It will be interesting to see how First promotes itself on Wilmslow Road. Will they brand/promote themselves specifically for the student market or will they merge some of their North Manchester/Oldham/Rochdale routes into cross city routes in partnership with TfGM like the 18 and use Finglands route network and extend these routes to Northenden, East Didsbury/Stockport or Sale/Altrincham? I also wonder whether JPT might be tempted to come on to the Wilmslow Road and will Stagecoach retaliate against First in some way?

The deal is win-win for EYMS as it enables them to cascade a fairly modern fleet of low floor vehicles that are common with the main East Yorkshire operation that will see off the last of their step entrance vehicles and Finglands Enviro 300’s would be very useful in beginning the replacement process for B10BLE’s and MAN’s which possibly still have a few years left in them but will need to be replaced at some point over the next few years.

Interesting times ahead.

I believe that EYMS arranged the deal so that they would retain the vehicles to replace older vehicles in their home fleet.

Re BIB1, and I predict in due course 50% of 18s being extended to East Didsbury, and the remaining 50% being renumbered 18a and extended to Sale/ Altrincham. This would lead to withdrawal of First route numbers 41 and 42.

Re BIB2, and it does not seem a coincidence that Stagecoach announce are about to compete with First on Edinburgh-Queensferry route 43 after the certainty of First competing on Wilmslow Road. This route does not tie in with First's networks in Livingston, Falkirk, East Lothian or Galashiels as such, and may eventually face withdrawal. Having 2 operators head out from Edinburgh towards Cramond (Stagecoach and Lothian Buses) seems sufficient anyway.

[Wright Eclipse]

RE: Finglands

(01/02/2014 23:20)Metroline1511 Wrote:  

(31/01/2014 15:31)Gillmoss 0324 Wrote:  Probably this was the best outcome as First sort of ensures some form of competition with Stagecoach on the Wilmslow Road corridor and the only other option Arriva wasn’t really interested adding Finglands to their Manchester operations strange given their substantial operations in Wythenshawe, Sale and Altricham and that they used to operate on Wilmslow Road in the 1990’s. It will be interesting to see how First promotes itself on Wilmslow Road. Will they brand/promote themselves specifically for the student market or will they merge some of their North Manchester/Oldham/Rochdale routes into cross city routes in partnership with TfGM like the 18 and use Finglands route network and extend these routes to Northenden, East Didsbury/Stockport or Sale/Altrincham? I also wonder whether JPT might be tempted to come on to the Wilmslow Road and will Stagecoach retaliate against First in some way?

The deal is win-win for EYMS as it enables them to cascade a fairly modern fleet of low floor vehicles that are common with the main East Yorkshire operation that will see off the last of their step entrance vehicles and Finglands Enviro 300’s would be very useful in beginning the replacement process for B10BLE’s and MAN’s which possibly still have a few years left in them but will need to be replaced at some point over the next few years.

Interesting times ahead.

I believe that EYMS arranged the deal so that they would retain the vehicles to replace older vehicles in their home fleet.

Re BIB1, and I predict in due course 50% of 18s being extended to East Didsbury, and the remaining 50% being renumbered 18a and extended to Sale/ Altrincham. This would lead to withdrawal of First route numbers 41 and 42.

Re BIB2, and it does not seem a coincidence that Stagecoach announce are about to compete with First on Edinburgh-Queensferry route 43 after the certainty of First competing on Wilmslow Road. This route does not tie in with First's networks in Livingston, Falkirk, East Lothian or Galashiels as such, and may eventually face withdrawal. Having 2 operators head out from Edinburgh towards Cramond (Stagecoach and Lothian Buses) seems sufficient anyway.

could be they extend 17 To East Didsbury & 18 To Sale/Altrincham.If first wanted to step on stagecoaches toes more they could even extend there East Didsbury route into Stockport like Stagecoach 42

[Metroline1511]

RE: Finglands

(01/02/2014 23:31)Wright Eclipse Wrote:  could be they extend 17 To East Didsbury & 18 To Sale/Altrincham.If first wanted to step on stagecoaches toes more they could even extend there East Didsbury route into Stockport like Stagecoach 42

I thought of this, or even route 83 or 135 extended south, but was concerned that these routes could be a bit long. Mind you, it would make their branding First Greater Manchester appropriate!