First Manchester

[jonesy3001]

RE: First Manchester
what about tameside depot?

[PSbusdriver]

RE: First Manchester

(03/07/2019 11:51)jonesy3001 Wrote:  what about tameside depot?

Plus add in Glossop depot as well, and before deregulation the Todmorden services into Rochdale were done by West Yorkshire PTE by whatever depots they were then

[SF07]

RE: First Manchester
Cancellations for First Manchester's Bolton depot services have appeared. The 2 and 68 haven't been fully cancelled by First, presumably running evening journeys from Rusholme depot.

PC0003680/924 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Leigh Bus Station to Manchester Picadilly via Tyldsley, Walkden
Service number: X39 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/9 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bolton Interchange to Leigh Bus Station via Atherton Town Centre
Service number: 582 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/13 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: BOLTON to WITHINS ESTATE
Service number: 561 (562)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/35 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bury Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Radcliffe Bus Station
Service number: 524 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/276 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bury Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Ainsworth
Service number: 510 (511)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/152 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bolton Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Harwood
Service number: 507 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/4 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Farnworth to Chorley Old Road/ Moss Bank Way via Bolton Black Horse St
Service number: 501 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/21 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: BURY to RAMSBOTTOM via Holcombe Brook
Service number: 472 (474)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/36 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Rochdale Bus Station to Bolton Moor Lane Bus Station via Heywood
Service number: 471 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/20 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Manchester Piccadilly to Bury Interchange via Middleton Bus Station
Service number: 163 (162)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/429 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bolton Interchange to Manchester Piccadilly via Walkden Centre
Service number: 37 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/146 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Manchester Piccadilly to Bolton Interchange
Service number: 36 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/168 Cancelled
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Manchester, Shuehill Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Pendlebury
Service number: 8 (168)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019

PC0003680/22 Registered
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bolton Interchange to Stockport Bus Station via Monton Green
Service number: 22 (2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
Variation Accepted

PC0003680/39 Registered
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Manchester, Trafford Centre to Bolton, Moor Lane Bus Station via Monton Green, Farnworth
Service number: 68 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
Variation Accepted

[johnluke]

RE: First Manchester
That's an interesting one the 22 to stockport registered

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: First Manchester

(05/07/2019 09:48)johnluke Wrote:  That's an interesting one the 22 to stockport registered

Its on the Registration as it was the 22 Stockport - Bolton when first started but has since been changed to the 2 Bolton - Trafford Centre. VOSA never update the start/Finish points on the system

[gilesbus1]

RE: First Manchester

(05/07/2019 08:40)SF07 Wrote:  Cancellations for First Manchester's Bolton depot services have appeared. The 2 and 68 haven't been fully cancelled by First, presumably running evening journeys from Rusholme depot.


PC0003680/22 Registered
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Bolton Interchange to Stockport Bus Station via Monton Green
Service number: 22 (2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
Variation Accepted

PC0003680/39 Registered
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Manchester, Trafford Centre to Bolton, Moor Lane Bus Station via Monton Green, Farnworth
Service number: 68 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
Variation Accepted

Are these perhaps being used as placing journeys for Vantage using Vantage vehicles in order to limit the amount of dead mileage, and presumably they would only be short journeys from say A580 or Swinton or Walkden or Monton Green to Trafford Centre? Or maybe placing journeys to get staff from Bolton to Rusholme. e.g. Early Mornings, Peaks and Evenings.

[Nwales Bus]

RE: First Manchester

(06/07/2019 00:32)gilesbus1 Wrote:  Are these perhaps being used as placing journeys for Vantage using Vantage vehicles in order to limit the amount of dead mileage, and presumably they would only be short journeys from say A580 or Swinton or Walkden or Monton Green to Trafford Centre? Or maybe placing journeys to get staff from Bolton to Rusholme. e.g. Early Mornings, Peaks and Evenings.

These will be tendered journeys which aren’t transferring to Rotala. To most likely be subsequently won on retender by Rotala

[Metroline1511]

RE: First Manchester

(02/07/2019 10:49)gilesbus1 Wrote:  The Yellow school buses are not transferring to Rusholme the contract is due to end at Bolton, all that is going to Rusholme is the Vantage contract simply because its the only base available to operate it from, not out of choice. There is a real likelihood that many staff will leave and the service will get poor being effected by traffic, so I can see the contract being taken from FirstGroup and re-assigned to another operator.

Simply the main issue is all the timetable's start at Leigh, Atherton or Ellenbrook except evening peaks in reverse, and all staff live in Bolton or Leigh area's so its really not a suitable premises the best think for Rusholme would be for the owner to demolish it and sell it off as University accommodation, and to move the buses somewhere else, e.g. to Rotala or Stagecoach along with TUPE of the drivers, thats what will happen in eighteen months in anycase. Plus First have just added to the cost of the contract my adding mileage onto the vehicles which in turn means more fuel and more ware and tare and also longer staff hours so if it wasn't causing a massive loss before it will be now. In preference to Rusholme it would be easier to operate it from Oldham as the M60 could be use to move vehicles and staff around North Manchester quickly.

Also what happens if a bus breaks down in Leigh are FirstVantage going to ask passengers to wait for 2 hours while they bring out another vehicle, especially at Peak times?

The long term future of Vantage really now see's it passing to Stagecoach and being operated from Wigan or going to Rotala and being operated from Atherton depot, but that's for a future biding round.

If Stagecoach do win Vantage, they would have the additional advantage that if a bus breaks down at the Royal Infirmary, they could bring in a substitute from Hyde Road or Sharston rather than wait for one from Wigan.

[Metroline1511]

RE: First Manchester

(02/07/2019 19:40)SF07 Wrote:  Service changes for July officially confirms withdrawal of service 346 (V3 also mentioned but website seems to apply it's for the summer holidays only and not permanent).

Also mentioned is a reduction of journeys on the 81/81A between Moston and Manchester.

https://www.firstgroup.com/greater-manch...ce-changes

Stagecoach are increasing route 346 to compensate. They will now have 4 buses an hour Mon-Sat daytime and 1 bus an hour on Sundays.

[Metroline1511]

RE: First Manchester

(06/07/2019 07:34)Nwales Bus Wrote:  These will be tendered journeys which aren’t transferring to Rotala. To most likely be subsequently won on retender by Rotala

At present route 2 has some tendered evening journeys but route 68 is all commercial. I wonder what would run the route 2 journeys unless some single-decks move to Rusholme for a part allocation on route 68. These would then cover the evening route 2 tendered journeys.