First Manchester

[gilesbus1]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 10:15)Mrboo Wrote:  Rusholme should of had Vantages in my view as it right next to MRI same as 18 and 53

Rusholme is a bad idea as it means a lot of dead mileage as all routes start at Atherton or Leigh, Rusholme is simply at the wrong end of the route, can you imagine a driver having to start a duty at Rusholme at 3am in the morning in order to get to Leigh for 4am, its simply not suitable, a new site is to be purchased in the Leigh/Atherton area for that, although most likely they might operate out of Diamond's Atherton depot as some routes from there are better operated out of First's depot at Bolton e.g. the 300, 575, 715, 574 etc. In parallel, it may be that the 68 can be better operated from Eccles depot and the 582 better operated from Atherton depot. The other thing anyway is that the first 5 year Vantage period ends in 18 months anyway and therefore they can exit it at that piont if they exit now they get fined for breach of contract, at that time then it will go to re-tender. The other issue will be the total allocation is around 200 vehicles without Vantage so if they are only leasing around 125 how are the other 75 worth of vehicles routes going to be operated? also is the 163 being included as separate rumours suggest that transferring to GoAhead with selected vehicles in a separate deal?

Have heard that Rotala are about to place an order for a large batch of Wright Streetdeck's to operate from both Bolton and Preston depot's, with delivery to commence at the end of the year, so presumably that will mean that ADL Enviro400's start returning at that stage.

[Mrboo]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 19:02)gilesbus1 Wrote:  Rusholme is a bad idea as it means a lot of dead mileage as all routes start at Atherton or Leigh, Rusholme is simply at the wrong end of the route, can you imagine a driver having to start a duty at Rusholme at 3am in the morning in order to get to Leigh for 4am, its simply not suitable, a new site is to be purchased in the Leigh/Atherton area for that, although most likely they might operate out of Diamond's Atherton depot as some routes from there are better operated out of First's depot at Bolton e.g. the 300, 575, 715, 574 etc. In parallel, it may be that the 68 can be better operated from Eccles depot and the 582 better operated from Atherton depot. The other thing anyway is that the first 5 year Vantage period ends in 18 months anyway and therefore they can exit it at that piont if they exit now they get fined for breach of contract, at that time then it will go to re-tender. The other issue will be the total allocation is around 200 vehicles without Vantage so if they are only leasing around 125 how are the other 75 worth of vehicles routes going to be operated? also is the 163 being included as separate rumours suggest that transferring to GoAhead with selected vehicles in a separate deal?

Have heard that Rotala are about to place an order for a large batch of Wright Streetdeck's to operate from both Bolton and Preston depot's, with delivery to commence at the end of the year, so presumably that will mean that Enviro Enviro400's will start returning at that stage.

You just rework the timetables to start at the right end. it more the tender routes as there not in the sale lots of dead mileage

[motormayhem1]

RE: First Manchester
Don't know why rotala just don't move all there operations into there new depot and let first lease there ex slt depot in atherton.

[gilesbus1]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 19:07)Mrboo Wrote:  You just rework the timetables to start at the right end. it more the tender routes as there not in the sale lots of dead mileage

You can't do that as TfGM control the time table, therefore that can't be done, the time table is fixed for five years, so Rusholme would be as useful as a chocolate fire guard for the Vantage contract. :whack:What is likely to happen is that it will continue to operate out of Bolton, or move to Atherton or at least early start and late finish vehicles be outstationed at either Atherton or Bolton. The contract will no doubt be put up for re tender at the end of five years, which is in 2021.

[iMarkeh]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 20:07)gilesbus1 Wrote:  You can't do that as TfGM control the time table, therefore that can't be done, the time table is fixed for five years, so Rusholme would be as useful as a chocolate fire guard for the Vantage contract. :whack:What is likely to happen is that it will continue to operate out of Bolton, or move to Atherton or at least early start and late finish vehicles be outstationed at either Atherton or Bolton. The contract will no doubt be put up for re tender at the end of five years, which is in 2021.

OR they could open up the busway much like Cambridge and Luton have done. More operators, more destinations, more buses to different places.

[Nwales Bus]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 20:07)gilesbus1 Wrote:  You can't do that as TfGM control the time table, therefore that can't be done, the time table is fixed for five years, so Rusholme would be as useful as a chocolate fire guard for the Vantage contract. :whack:What is likely to happen is that it will continue to operate out of Bolton, or move to Atherton or at least early start and late finish vehicles be outstationed at either Atherton or Bolton. The contract will no doubt be put up for re tender at the end of five years, which is in 2021.

Vantage was a 10 year contract, there’s 7 years left

[Nwales Bus]

RE: First Manchester

(27/06/2019 20:07)gilesbus1 Wrote:  You can't do that as TfGM control the time table, therefore that can't be done, the time table is fixed for five years, so Rusholme would be as useful as a chocolate fire guard for the Vantage contract. :whack:What is likely to happen is that it will continue to operate out of Bolton, or move to Atherton or at least early start and late finish vehicles be outstationed at either Atherton or Bolton. The contract will no doubt be put up for re tender at the end of five years, which is in 2021.

Vantage was a 10 year contract, there’s 7 years left

[Mrboo]

RE: First Manchester

(28/06/2019 06:30)Nwales Bus Wrote:  Vantage was a 10 year contract, there’s 7 years left

What stopping first doing what they do in Bristol and getting diamond to operate their services on busway like BCT are doing on M1 for First

[NorthernCounties]

RE: First Manchester

(28/06/2019 08:35)Mrboo Wrote:  What stopping first doing what they do in Bristol and getting diamond to operate their services on busway like BCT are doing on M1 for First

Interesting idea but depends on the exact wording TfGM have used. Try might not be allowed to subcontract the route

[AlexBus12]

RE: First Manchester
Vantage, the YSB fleet and tendered routes will move to Rusholme