Greater Manchester Service Changes

[djb]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(09/01/2021 17:17)iMarkeh Wrote:  The 18 changes has enabled the service to become an outer circular in many ways and has opened up many journey opportunities which weren't available without changes.

217/44 was a good operational efficiency from Diamond to reduce driver shunt cars. I am interested to see how it gets split as the 44 section timings look very tight for it to be standalone.

I don’t really see the 18 as an outer circular, more of a mess. It’s opened up some theoretical journey opportunities but a lot of the section beyond sale is just re-knitting of socially neccesary sections. The MCT 18 between wythenshawe and sale was finally picking up numbers even post lockdown, the rerouted section is just carrying fresh air.

The section of 18 through brooklands has had so many changes of route numbers and destinations over recent years, I’d be surprised anyone uses or would rely on it long term other than to go to sale centre or the hospital.

A true outer circle would be connecting say 409 with the 330 then the 11a, x5 or 23. Mostly radial main roads.

[60301]

 RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Does anybody have any info or links to find out the winners of the latest round of tenders? The TfGM website says all contracts will be listed on the Government web portal but there is nothing found on there from any date, not even previous awards. Cheshire, Merseytravel, South Yorkshire, Lancashire CC etc tenders can be found but nothing for TfGM/GMCA.

I know operators have been informed and drivers are out learning the routes so the info must be around somewhere. I must be obviously looking in the wrong place.

[joe_alker]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Nope, because it's commercially sensitive you'll only find out when the service changes are announced.

[60301]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
But even then, they're not listed where they should be. There is no trace of any TfGM tenders EVER being listed on that Government website. All other areas and authorities are. Even the new April ones. It's obviously not the correct link to it from the TfGM site.

[dounowhoiam]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Isn't it likely to be released when the documents are uploaded for the upcoming Bus Services Sub Committee on Friday, 12th March, 2021 at 10.30 am?
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...4394&Ver=4

[iMarkeh]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(28/02/2021 21:17)dounowhoiam Wrote:  Isn't it likely to be released when the documents are uploaded for the upcoming Bus Services Sub Committee on Friday, 12th March, 2021 at 10.30 am?
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...4394&Ver=4

It normally only ends up in those documents if there is a service change, not just if there is an operator change on the exact same timetable and route.

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
It does not normally give a new operator either, If the Contract is up it normally stays Operator TBC

[knutstransport]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(01/03/2021 08:42)T42 PVM Wrote:  It does not normally give a new operator either, If the Contract is up it normally stays Operator TBC

I think that partly depends whether they are asking members to approve a change to the subsided network or whether they are informing members of a change that is happening.

Really passengers should be given as much notice as possible of an operator change, as it may mean passengers will need to buy a different ticket type which may cost more than the ticket they are currently buying. For instance, a Stagecoach weekly ticket is no use on a Diamond Bus and if you use two buses and one is changing operator and the other is staying the same, it may not mean all affected passengers will buy a Diamond weekly instead of a Stagecoach weekly.

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
It's been suggested that Go North East are planning to send some Solos to Manchester for Go North West for some new TfGM contracts in April 2021. No details as to which services these are for but would imagine it could be for services that fit in with the rest of their network, so possibly some of the Middleton services like the 12 or 129 or perhaps the 94, which is being proposed to be merged with service 494 and run between Cheetham Hill and Bury. Stotts recently cancelled the registration for the service, which suggests a new operator.

But, as mentioned above, we will probably get some more info in the upcoming Bus Services GMCA committee meeting later this month.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...988512791/

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(01/03/2021 12:01)SF07 Wrote:  It's been suggested that Go North East are planning to send some Solos to Manchester for Go North West for some new TfGM contracts in April 2021. No details as to which services these are for but would imagine it could be for services that fit in with the rest of their network, so possibly some of the Middleton services like the 12 or 129 or perhaps the 94, which is being proposed to be merged with service 494 and run between Cheetham Hill and Bury. Stotts recently cancelled the registration for the service, which suggests a new operator.

But, as mentioned above, we will probably get some more info in the upcoming Bus Services GMCA committee meeting later this month.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...988512791/

Go North West have registered the 129 Middleton Circ today so would be for this (Maybe others?)