Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

[wirralbus]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(15/11/2019 01:01)MTL0201 Wrote:  Indeed, 500 takes around 2 hours end to end, X1, 55 minutes how is that going to entice passengers onto the 500, then having to do the magical tour of Runcorn then Widnes & Speke plus Liverpool Airport, can see those transfering to cars then train from Runcorn instead.

I often get the X1, sometimes it can be half full one way, but it's often full to standing when i see the X1 going past in the other direction.

The 500 needs to be speeded up between Liverpool and Liverpool South Parkway / John Lennon Airport to make that service more palatable to passengers who are being forced onto it from Runcorn .

This is going to be another case of people using the train to get to Runcorn and using the local bus network when they arrive there to complete there journey.

[cfm146g]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(15/11/2019 16:20)johnluke Wrote:  Its putting extra bullets into the liverpool franchise argument

For some years lots of Arriva's young adult passengers have been able to benefit from My Tickets, a big hit on the cost of an adult day ticket. Bus companies in general are unhappy about this, what amounts to initiatives from Merseytravel being paid for by the operator.

Arriva have also deprived themselves of revenue on this service by extending the Merseyside zone to include Halton, reducing the day ticket cost by £1.

Add to this the inconvenience to passengers caused by changing and curtailing the route [going back years] and it's death by 1000 cuts. Some will remember the heyday of the Laser coaches going to Liverpool every 15 minutes [as X4, X5 and X6 services] and not picking up locals in Merseyside. Long gone!

Franchising could restore this level of service, though, with the transport authority deciding what is needed and taking the risk on patronage. Operators would just do as they were told, like in PTE days.

[wirralbus]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(18/11/2019 09:38)cfm146g Wrote:  For some years lots of Arriva's young adult passengers have been able to benefit from My Tickets, a big hit on the cost of an adult day ticket. Bus companies in general are unhappy about this, what amounts to initiatives from Merseytravel being paid for by the operator.

Arriva have also deprived themselves of revenue on this service by extending the Merseyside zone to include Halton, reducing the day ticket cost by £1.

Add to this the inconvenience to passengers caused by changing and curtailing the route [going back years] and it's death by 1000 cuts. Some will remember the heyday of the Laser coaches going to Liverpool every 15 minutes [as X4, X5 and X6 services] and not picking up locals in Merseyside. Long gone!

Franchising could restore this level of service, though, with the transport authority deciding what is needed and taking the risk on patronage. Operators would just do as they were told, like in PTE days.

This could be considered as the operators getting in first and pruning the network before the LCR can get there teeth in properly , Arriva and Stagecoach are just by the looks of it going to keep there more profitable routes and anything marginal is going to find it hard to survive , dont be surprised if other routes in the LCR come under scrutiny very soon.

[cfm146g]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(18/11/2019 10:35)wirralbus Wrote:  This could be considered as the operators getting in first and pruning the network before the LCR can get there teeth in properly , Arriva and Stagecoach are just by the looks of it going to keep there more profitable routes and anything marginal is going to find it hard to survive , dont be surprised if other routes in the LCR come under scrutiny very soon.

You have to look at the prospect of franchising with an open mind. The idea is that the agenda is set by the authority, not the operators. If the authority wants to enhance or recast the network it is their prerogative and not for the operators to dictate. If the operators choose to retrench, then they make stronger the authority's claim that regulation and local control of the network is necessary to ensure continuity of an adequate network.

[Turbostar19]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations
With regard to the proposed changes to bus routes in Liverpool City Centre from January 2020, this seems to have gone very quiet?

The last post on the project was issued on 3 October, which suggested some peak time buses would now be retained. I've seen no further updates since this date.

City Centre bus review

Does anyone have any information they are able to share?

[Walton 46]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(18/11/2019 11:20)Turbostar19 Wrote:  With regard to the proposed changes to bus routes in Liverpool City Centre from January 2020, this seems to have gone very quiet?

The last post on the project was issued on 3 October, which suggested some peak time buses would now be retained. I've seen no further updates since this date.

City Centre bus review

Does anyone have any information they are able to share?

I asked Merseytravel on twitter back in October, but they just said they will get back to us in the Autumn

[Walton 46]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations
Results of the 30 (St. Helens - Chain Lane) consultation now up:

Arriva Sunday daytime service to be withdrawn with Sunday 12th January the last day of operation. An hourly service funded by Merseytravel will be introduced to replace it

https://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/about-us...ation.aspx

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(19/11/2019 11:21)Walton 46 Wrote:  Results of the 30 (St. Helens - Chain Lane) consultation now up:

Arriva Sunday daytime service to be withdrawn with Sunday 12th January the last day of operation. An hourly service funded by Merseytravel will be introduced to replace it

https://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/about-us...ation.aspx

So the Sunday evening frequency half hourly but daytime hourly - utter madness.

[Walton 46]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(19/11/2019 14:59)St Helens Rider Wrote:  So the Sunday evening frequency half hourly but daytime hourly - utter madness.

According to the Merseytravel website, the reason for the disparity is that one of the buses used on the evening 30 bus on Sunday is required for the Merseytravel supported Sunday daytime service on the 37

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Merseytravel: Bus service Consultations

(19/11/2019 16:54)Walton 46 Wrote:  According to the Merseytravel website, the reason for the disparity is that one of the buses used on the evening 30 bus on Sunday is required for the Merseytravel supported Sunday daytime service on the 37

I would have thought this would have been a good opportunity to review the whole evening and Sunday service instead of running a more frequent service at a relatively quieter time of day.