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(22/09/2023 10:29)Route102 Wrote: [ -> ]Full list of the current batch of buses moving and what is replacing them

ST HELENS 2689 CX58 EWB swapped with WAKEFIELD 1456 YJ62 JHU
ST HELENS 2691 CX58 EWD swapped with WAKEFIELD 1457 YJ62 JJO
ST HELENS 2693 CX58 EWF swapped with WAKEFIELD 1458 YJ62 JNU
ST HELENS 2694 CX58 EWG swapped with WAKEFIELD 1459 YJ62 JPX
ST HELENS 2695 CX58 EWH swapped with WAKEFIELD 1460 YJ62 JPY
ST HELENS 2697 CX58 EWK swapped with WAKEFIELD 1461 YJ62 JRV
ST HELENS 2692 CX58 EWE swapped with WAKEFIELD 1462 YJ62 JTO
ST HELENS 2696 CX58 EWJ swapped with WAKEFIELD 1463 YJ62 JUA
ST HELENS 2900 CX58 EWO swapped with WAKEFIELD 1464 YJ62 JVE
ST HELENS 2901 CX58 EWP swapped with WAKEFIELD 1465 YJ62 JVG
ST HELENS 2902 CX58 EWR swapped with CASTLEFORD 1466 YJ62 JYH
ST HELENS 2903 CX58 EWS swapped with CASTLEFORD 1478 YJ62 JSY
ST HELENS 2904 CX58 EWT swapped with CASTLEFORD 1479 YJ62 JUC
BOOTLE 4411 CX58 FZZ swapped with THURMASTON 4416 YX64 VOP
BOOTLE 4419 CX58 GBV swapped with THURMASTON 4417 YX64 VOT
BOOTLE 4420 CX58 BBY swapped with THURMASTON 4418 YX64 VOU
BOOTLE 2917 CX58 EXJ swapped with DERBY 3767 FJ13 FYM
BIRKENHEAD 2919 CX58 EXL swapped with DEWSBURY 1495 YJ62 JMX
BOOTLE 2937 MX09 EKT swapped with DERBY 3768 FJ13 FYW
BOOTLE* 2926 CX58 FZH swapped with DERBY 3769 FJ13 FYX
ST HELENS 2939 MX09 EKW swapped with CASTLEFORD 1880 YJ62 JUF
ST HELENS 2940 MX09 EKY swapped with CASTLEFORD 1481 YJ62 JVH

*2926 currently at Southport

With these, Bolton goes to Diamond tomorrow leading to more buses being available if needed but I had no clue about 2939 and 2940 leaving

(22/09/2023 13:02)North West Bus Spotter Wrote: [ -> ]With these, Bolton goes to Diamond tomorrow leading to more buses being available if needed but I had no clue about 2939 and 2940 leaving

The Pulsars at Bolton are due at Runcorn as a stop gap to replace MANs

Will the busses being transfered in receive new fleet numbers?

(22/09/2023 17:19)chris-s Wrote: [ -> ]Will the busses being transfered in receive new fleet numbers?

Yes, I'd expect the Pulsars to be 3213 upwards, following on from the ex Midlands one at Wrexham....the Enviro400's in the 4*** somewhere (maybe following after the Streetdecks?????
HTH

(22/09/2023 17:19)chris-s Wrote: [ -> ]Will the busses being transfered in receive new fleet numbers?

3213-31, 4734-36 is what I've heard.

(22/09/2023 17:46)CUL 73V Wrote: [ -> ]3213-31, 4734-36 is what I've heard.

Must be great for fleet to have Mellor Breadvans, Streetdecks and Enviro400s in the same numbering batch.. Maybe 4397-9 would have been better for the Enviros? Same as numbering the Evoras in with the Pulsars, plenty of scope to have a new batch of fleetnumbers for them and fit the Pulsars in the gaps or carry on 32xx. All too easy isn’t it.

(22/09/2023 20:39)DVG526 Wrote: [ -> ]Must be great for fleet to have Mellor Breadvans, Streetdecks and Enviro400s in the same numbering batch.. Maybe 4397-9 would have been better for the Enviros? Same as numbering the Evoras in with the Pulsars, plenty of scope to have a new batch of fleetnumbers for them and fit the Pulsars in the gaps or carry on 32xx. All too easy isn’t it.

From speaking to people within the company its not just a matter of filling gaps in fleet number series as previously used numbers cannot be used due to auditing purposes. The bread vans should of been 10xx but as the Cities were to be flagship vehicles they allocated them the 10xx series so the Mellors just took the vacant 47xx instead. It's not all too easy to allocate fleet numbers just to make the series look pretty they have to fit in all the internal and external systems etc.

At some point if they are going to use 4 digit numbers there will have to be a reuse of number unless they go to 5 digit or even 6 digit numbers.

To my recollection the last time a fleet number was re-used was around 2011 when the 31** Pulsars took on the same fleet numbers of the 31** Leyland Olympians that were withdrawn 3 years prior in 2008.

I’d still argue though that for the 3x incoming Enviro 400 arrivals the 439* series would be a less ‘clunkier’ and sensible option

They should have a national fleet number scheme and save all of the endless renumbering and make the auditing process easier. But I guess with state of affairs are as they are, it will not happen under Arriva.