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Hi all any news on orders for this year?

Anything due for MS&SL this year as well?

No. The announcement is normally the back end of January, though this year it may even be as late as March as there ia still a full delivery progamme up until then.

(02/01/2016 12:48)E208 WBG Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all any news on orders for this year?

Anything due for MS&SL this year as well?

There will be 12 Enviro 200 MMC for Chester's Park and rides, as for anything else just have to wait and see.

(02/01/2016 13:28)mbonwick Wrote: [ -> ]No. The announcement is normally the back end of January, though this year it may even be as late as March as there ia still a full delivery progamme up until then.

The big questions are: -
1. Will Stagecoach (& Arriva, Go Ahead et al) be buying anymore Euro 5 vehicles, which appear to be still allowed under some odd loophole in the regulations?
2. Will the ADL "Classic body style" i.e Enviro200/Enviro300/Enviro400 still be available to order as against the new MMC style?

I'll answer both questions together, as they are linked.

ADL have said that they are wanting to have Euro 5 production to have finished by the start of 2016. That means no more "classic" Enviro200/400, and no more Enviro300 at all (except on 3rd party chassis).
While Enviro200/400 production is very much already in the switchover, it's less clear for how long Enviro300s will be produced for - if at all.

So basically - while the legal loophole will still exist, it's probably going to be hard to find a mainstream product that exploits it.

(04/01/2016 22:11)mbonwick Wrote: [ -> ]I'll answer both questions together, as they are linked.

ADL have said that they are wanting to have Euro 5 production to have finished by the start of 2016. That means no more "classic" Enviro200/400, and no more Enviro300 at all (except on 3rd party chassis).
While Enviro200/400 production is very much already in the switchover, it's less clear for how long Enviro300s will be produced for - if at all.

So basically - while the legal loophole will still exist, it's probably going to be hard to find a mainstream product that exploits it.

Thanks for the Info MB.

So will there not be an equivalent of an Enviro300 MMC from ADL?

(06/01/2016 07:45)childwallblues Wrote: [ -> ]So will there not be an equivalent of an Enviro300 MMC from ADL?

Yes, it's called an Enviro 200 MMC, which comes in several different lengths, from, I am guessing 8.9m, right up to 12m.

I would expect the Scania and other bodies to be updated to E300MMC at some stage.

(06/01/2016 08:49)Southernsofty Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it's called an Enviro 200 MMC, which comes in several different lengths, from, I am guessing 8.9m, right up to 12m.

I think the longest Enviro200MMC is going to be 11.5 metres (though 11.8 metre apparently if you get the 6 cylinder engine) but this will be the replacement for the 11.8 metre Enviro300.

As far as I know, Stagecoach Merseyside 27300 is the last built standard ADL Enviro300.