(16/04/2016 20:42)Dentonian Wrote: [ -> ]I suppose it depends on the nature of the Gold Service. I'm no expert, but I think they tend to be longer, limited stop routes with oppurtunity to get a fair turn of speed - which Scanias perform better at. ADLs are for more "workhorse" routes, trundling up and down congested routes with single-figure average speeds. This is why Hyde Road quickly lost 15444-55 to Northampton back in 2009 ish - and off-peak running times have deteriorated further since then.
I had indeed noticed that, with 1 or 2 exceptions such as Devon, Stagecoach tend to use pure Enviro400s on urban routes and Scania-Enviro400s on interurban routes.
(16/04/2016 22:52)mbonwick Wrote: [ -> ]There's 65 Gold buses - a 40/25 split between Enviro400s and Enviro200s (11.9m). They are all MMCs as ADL no longer sell the "classic" Enviro range. Any recent deliveries have simply been long-standing orders running through.
Scania don't get a look in because of their refusal to fit electric cooling fans to their engines; Stagecoach have taken the decision that it's not worth the extra expense and hassle of having an external contractor do it, and dropped Scania.
Look out for Volvo starting to appear over the next few years again - they seem very keen to win back Stagecoach's business...
The Optare portion of this years order is very small - just 6 units for Norfolk Green, and even then that's only because of the slimline requirement. It's very telling that Stagecoach are prepared to put more money into a mostly unproven vehicle combo - the Mercedes Sprinters - than with one of their long-time suppliers (Optare).
Do you by any chance know which routes will be upgraded to Gold spec?
No idea on specific order breakdown I'm afraid - just headline numbers.
The 2016 Stagecoach Bus Fleetbook has been released to certain people, and this has been posted on 'RailUK Forum'
10511 - 10525 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Glasgow.
10526 - 10533 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aberdeen.
10534 - 10551 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10552 - 10563 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Kendal.
10564 - 10577 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10578 - 10630 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Stockport.
10631 - 10654 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Walkergate.
10655 - 10663 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Barnsley.
10664 - 10666 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Worksop.
10667 - 10687 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
10688 - 10697 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Exeter.
10698 - 10700 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Winchester.
10701 - 10725 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Folkestone.
10726 - 10733 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Leamington.
10734 - 10748 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Hull.
10749 - 10760 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Chester?
10761 - 10778 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aldershot.
10779 - 10788 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
All the above are 10.9m Euro 6 variants.
12364 - 12401 ADL Enviro 400H MMC for Plumstead.
26041 - 26049 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Winchester.
26050 - 26062 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chester.
26063 - 26080 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Slatyford.
26081 - 26087 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chesterfield.
26088 - 26111 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Porth.
All the above are 11.9m variants.
36609 - 36621 ADL Enviro 200 MMC 10.5m for Bromley.
37431 - 37439 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Norfolk Green.
37440 - 37444 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Rock Ferry.
All the above are 10.9m variants.
44001 - 44030 Mercedes Benz Sprinter City 45 for ?
48031 - 48036 Optare Solo M990 SL for Norfolk Green.
54277 - 54283 Volvo B11R 15m for Rugby.
54284 Volvo B11R 13.8m for East Scotland.
54331 - 54333 Volvo B11R 15m for East Scotland.
54334 - 54441 Volvo B11R 15m for West Scotland.
(25/04/2016 21:25)kuyoyo Wrote: [ -> ]The 2016 Stagecoach Bus Fleetbook has been released to certain people, and this has been posted on 'RailUK Forum'
10749 - 10760 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Chester?
Why, would Chester depot want with 12 new double decks ?
(25/04/2016 21:25)kuyoyo Wrote: [ -> ]26050 - 26062 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chester.
I take it these are the new buses for the Park & Ride
(25/04/2016 21:39)WhiteVanMan Wrote: [ -> ]Why, would Chester depot want with 12 new double decks ?
It is a typo - they are for Cheltenham!
Credit to Kuyoyo post above these are apparently what Chester and Birkenhead's Enviro200 order be....
26050 to 26062 - E200MMC's for P&R in Chester
37440 to 37444 - E200MMC's for Birkenhead (Aparently for 41/42)
Could the ones for aldershot be GOLD standard to upgrade 1 to double decker operation?
(25/04/2016 21:25)kuyoyo Wrote: [ -> ]The 2016 Stagecoach Bus Fleetbook has been released to certain people, and this has been posted on 'RailUK Forum'
10511 - 10525 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Glasgow.
10526 - 10533 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aberdeen.
10534 - 10551 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10552 - 10563 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Kendal.
10564 - 10577 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10578 - 10630 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Stockport.
10631 - 10654 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Walkergate.
10655 - 10663 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Barnsley.
10664 - 10666 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Worksop.
10667 - 10687 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
10688 - 10697 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Exeter.
10698 - 10700 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Winchester.
10701 - 10725 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Folkestone.
10726 - 10733 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Leamington.
10734 - 10748 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Hull.
10749 - 10760 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Chester?
10761 - 10778 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aldershot.
10779 - 10788 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
All the above are 10.9m Euro 6 variants.
12364 - 12401 ADL Enviro 400H MMC for Plumstead.
26041 - 26049 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Winchester.
26050 - 26062 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chester.
26063 - 26080 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Slatyford.
26081 - 26087 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chesterfield.
26088 - 26111 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Porth.
All the above are 11.9m variants.
36609 - 36621 ADL Enviro 200 MMC 10.5m for Bromley.
37431 - 37439 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Norfolk Green.
37440 - 37444 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Rock Ferry.
All the above are 10.9m variants.
44001 - 44030 Mercedes Benz Sprinter City 45 for ?
48031 - 48036 Optare Solo M990 SL for Norfolk Green.
54277 - 54283 Volvo B11R 15m for Rugby.
54284 Volvo B11R 13.8m for East Scotland.
54331 - 54333 Volvo B11R 15m for East Scotland.
54334 - 54441 Volvo B11R 15m for West Scotland.
I'm assuming 54334 - 54441 is a typo, should it be 54334 - 54341? I can't see them having over a hundred coaches!!!!
(27/04/2016 14:53)pete tierney Wrote: [ -> ]I'm assuming 54334 - 54441 is a typo, should it be 54334 - 54341? I can't see them having over a hundred coaches!!!!
lol it must be, never noticed it
Thank you for your detailed and informed list Kuyoyo.
I understand that the 13 Enviro 200-MMCs for Bromley are for London routes 146 & 336 in August, but will be small single-door buses around 8.9 metres in length.