https://dartslf.com/forum/ Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:32:12 +0000 MyBB https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1832 Wed, 11 Feb 2026 19:05:18 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1832 Can admin on hear please check why I am not receiving a link to reset my password only have access on my phone to my account,many thanks]]> Can admin on hear please check why I am not receiving a link to reset my password only have access on my phone to my account,many thanks]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1795 Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:05:04 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1795
Is about a bus idea around liverpool from this rather clever disabled guy he came up with as a idea with attention to details and personally it could do with that kind of bus service.

its on youtube and is 23 mintues long.

What are your thourghts on this?

https://youtu.be/MmhyCY-CiKI?si=eLCaA_KcDEwQOXTa]]>
Is about a bus idea around liverpool from this rather clever disabled guy he came up with as a idea with attention to details and personally it could do with that kind of bus service.

its on youtube and is 23 mintues long.

What are your thourghts on this?

https://youtu.be/MmhyCY-CiKI?si=eLCaA_KcDEwQOXTa]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1793 Fri, 01 Mar 2024 19:05:18 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1793 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1765 Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:50:09 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1765 I HAVE LISTENED TO FEEDBACK AND THIS IS AN EDITED IDEA!!
I would change these services below:
1/1B Moreton Circulars: Withdrawn replaced by M1 & M2.
1A/1C Moreton circular: Withdrawn.
1/X1 Liverpool - Chester: I would make the frequency back to a combined 15 minute service. I would also change the X1 to return via Rock Ferry By-Pass not serving Birkenhead or New Ferry. I'd also change the terminus is Chester because its really confusing. 1: Will run from Chester Interchange only not Chester Station. X1 will run from Chester Interchange as normal but still serving the Station.
16/16A/17 Moreton - Eastham Ferry: I would make all 16 services via Peter Price Lane with 16A renumbered 16. I'd also have all services serve Poulton Lancelyn & Croft Retail Park.
22 West Kirby - Chester: Services serve Willaston every 2 hours remaining as 22. Services serve Mollington every 2 hours as 23. So basically its Willaston, no Mollington (Vise-versa)
38/38A/38B: I would change the 38 by number one. 38 service to Eastham will be renumbered 38A and no longer serve the Sandbrook Estate. 38 services to Croft Retail Park will remain via Sandbrook. This is too try to stop consistent delays along these roads & also the number of passengers in this area is quiet low. Sunday & evenings 38A services will extended from Eastham to Eastham Ferry not serving Mill Park. Services will not serve Saughall Massie. However on Sunday & evenings services will serve Sandbrook Estate.
41/42 Arrowe Park - Mill Park: I'd have these services extend beyond Mill Park to Cheshire Oaks via Ellesmere Port. But also with that reduce the service to run every 40 minutes each combining to a 20 minute service. Sunday & evening journeys will run every 90 minutes each combining to a 45 minute service.
73 Heswall - Poulton Lancelyn Circular: Extended beyond Bebington no longer serving Poulton Lancelyn to Birkenhead Bus Station (Along the old 77 service).
80/81/82 West Kirby circular: Possible increase to run hourly (80 & 82) & run half-hourly (81).
91/91A Holmlands Estate circular: I'd have 91 withdrawn. 91A will be renumbered 91 & run Monday - Saturday hourly.
106/107 Wallasey Circular: I'd have services extend beyond Liscard to Birkenhead North operating to/from there instead. Also if an increase is possible it would be 60 mins but if not it would be 2 hours each.
174 Heswall circular: Combined with 181.
175 Heswall - Irby Circular: Extend the service from Irby to Thurtaston & then West Kirby. Possible reduction however.
181 Heswall - Arrowe Park: Extended from Heswall via Lower Village to Clatterbridge via Barnston & Brimstage. Possible reduction however.
216/217 Morning circulars: Withdrawn because 418 & 492/495 run along the service.
407 West Kirby - Liverpool: Sunday & evening journeys should be introduced running every 40 minutes.
408/409 Birkenhead - Wallasey: Reinstated but runs every 60 minutes each.
410 New Brighton - Woodside/Clatterbridge: Woodside journeys extended from Birkenhead to Liverpool. Clatterbridge journeys will not serve Woodside at all.
411 New Brighton - Woodside: No ideas.
413/414 Woodside - Seacombe or New Brighton: Both journeys increased to every 20 minutes each combining to a 10 minute service. Probably wont happen because Arriva is currently struggling with staff in Birkenhead depot.
418 New Ferry - Birkenhead: Additional journeys run during the early mornings replacing the 216/217 these services will run as 218 and serve Woodchurch Estate. Rerouted via Prenton Road West then Borough Road no longer serving Storeton Road or Mount Road.
420 West Kirby - Liverpool: Return service departing at 15:30.
423 Seacombe - Liverpool: Due to the 407 Sunday being introduced there is no need to serve Town Meadow. Also a possible reduction.
432/433 New Brighton - Liverpool: No ideas but due to the amount of buses needed for others services both journeys may be reduced to run 30 minutes daily combing to a 15 minute service.
437 West Kirby - Liverpool: No longer serves Greenbank Road due to massive congestion at some times and also reliability issues.(81 & 22 remain via this are). Saturday service may have to be reduced to every 12 minutes.
464 New Ferry - Liverpool: Due to more buses needed the service may be reduced to 40 minutes to use 2 buses an hour on this service.
471/472 Liverpool - Heswall: Arriva's journeys: Frequency and route not changed. Stagecoach services: Reduced to every 40 minutes (Monday - Saturday day) & 60 minutes during the evenings & Sunday. I'd introduce a new 473 service between Liverpool & Heswall via Barnston running 40 minutes (Monday - Saturday day) & 60 minutes during the evenings & Sunday.
487 Liverpool - Neston: Rerouted to serve Clatterbridge Internal Grounds.
492/495 Birkenhead - Noctorum circular: Evenings & Sunday increased to hourly each. All services rerouted to serve Arrowe Park via Upton.
M1/M2 Moreton Circulars: New journeys replacing the current 1/1A/1B/1C services. M1 will run from Leasowe Ross Avenue via Leasowe, Curlew Way, Saughall, Moreton Cross, Leasowe Railway Station & Ross Avenue. M2 will run an opposite direction service. I have no idea for the frequency of the services. But services run Monday - Sunday daytimes with no evenings.
Tell me any ideas that you would do to improve the network in Wirral.
Should I do one for Liverpool?]]> I HAVE LISTENED TO FEEDBACK AND THIS IS AN EDITED IDEA!!
I would change these services below:
1/1B Moreton Circulars: Withdrawn replaced by M1 & M2.
1A/1C Moreton circular: Withdrawn.
1/X1 Liverpool - Chester: I would make the frequency back to a combined 15 minute service. I would also change the X1 to return via Rock Ferry By-Pass not serving Birkenhead or New Ferry. I'd also change the terminus is Chester because its really confusing. 1: Will run from Chester Interchange only not Chester Station. X1 will run from Chester Interchange as normal but still serving the Station.
16/16A/17 Moreton - Eastham Ferry: I would make all 16 services via Peter Price Lane with 16A renumbered 16. I'd also have all services serve Poulton Lancelyn & Croft Retail Park.
22 West Kirby - Chester: Services serve Willaston every 2 hours remaining as 22. Services serve Mollington every 2 hours as 23. So basically its Willaston, no Mollington (Vise-versa)
38/38A/38B: I would change the 38 by number one. 38 service to Eastham will be renumbered 38A and no longer serve the Sandbrook Estate. 38 services to Croft Retail Park will remain via Sandbrook. This is too try to stop consistent delays along these roads & also the number of passengers in this area is quiet low. Sunday & evenings 38A services will extended from Eastham to Eastham Ferry not serving Mill Park. Services will not serve Saughall Massie. However on Sunday & evenings services will serve Sandbrook Estate.
41/42 Arrowe Park - Mill Park: I'd have these services extend beyond Mill Park to Cheshire Oaks via Ellesmere Port. But also with that reduce the service to run every 40 minutes each combining to a 20 minute service. Sunday & evening journeys will run every 90 minutes each combining to a 45 minute service.
73 Heswall - Poulton Lancelyn Circular: Extended beyond Bebington no longer serving Poulton Lancelyn to Birkenhead Bus Station (Along the old 77 service).
80/81/82 West Kirby circular: Possible increase to run hourly (80 & 82) & run half-hourly (81).
91/91A Holmlands Estate circular: I'd have 91 withdrawn. 91A will be renumbered 91 & run Monday - Saturday hourly.
106/107 Wallasey Circular: I'd have services extend beyond Liscard to Birkenhead North operating to/from there instead. Also if an increase is possible it would be 60 mins but if not it would be 2 hours each.
174 Heswall circular: Combined with 181.
175 Heswall - Irby Circular: Extend the service from Irby to Thurtaston & then West Kirby. Possible reduction however.
181 Heswall - Arrowe Park: Extended from Heswall via Lower Village to Clatterbridge via Barnston & Brimstage. Possible reduction however.
216/217 Morning circulars: Withdrawn because 418 & 492/495 run along the service.
407 West Kirby - Liverpool: Sunday & evening journeys should be introduced running every 40 minutes.
408/409 Birkenhead - Wallasey: Reinstated but runs every 60 minutes each.
410 New Brighton - Woodside/Clatterbridge: Woodside journeys extended from Birkenhead to Liverpool. Clatterbridge journeys will not serve Woodside at all.
411 New Brighton - Woodside: No ideas.
413/414 Woodside - Seacombe or New Brighton: Both journeys increased to every 20 minutes each combining to a 10 minute service. Probably wont happen because Arriva is currently struggling with staff in Birkenhead depot.
418 New Ferry - Birkenhead: Additional journeys run during the early mornings replacing the 216/217 these services will run as 218 and serve Woodchurch Estate. Rerouted via Prenton Road West then Borough Road no longer serving Storeton Road or Mount Road.
420 West Kirby - Liverpool: Return service departing at 15:30.
423 Seacombe - Liverpool: Due to the 407 Sunday being introduced there is no need to serve Town Meadow. Also a possible reduction.
432/433 New Brighton - Liverpool: No ideas but due to the amount of buses needed for others services both journeys may be reduced to run 30 minutes daily combing to a 15 minute service.
437 West Kirby - Liverpool: No longer serves Greenbank Road due to massive congestion at some times and also reliability issues.(81 & 22 remain via this are). Saturday service may have to be reduced to every 12 minutes.
464 New Ferry - Liverpool: Due to more buses needed the service may be reduced to 40 minutes to use 2 buses an hour on this service.
471/472 Liverpool - Heswall: Arriva's journeys: Frequency and route not changed. Stagecoach services: Reduced to every 40 minutes (Monday - Saturday day) & 60 minutes during the evenings & Sunday. I'd introduce a new 473 service between Liverpool & Heswall via Barnston running 40 minutes (Monday - Saturday day) & 60 minutes during the evenings & Sunday.
487 Liverpool - Neston: Rerouted to serve Clatterbridge Internal Grounds.
492/495 Birkenhead - Noctorum circular: Evenings & Sunday increased to hourly each. All services rerouted to serve Arrowe Park via Upton.
M1/M2 Moreton Circulars: New journeys replacing the current 1/1A/1B/1C services. M1 will run from Leasowe Ross Avenue via Leasowe, Curlew Way, Saughall, Moreton Cross, Leasowe Railway Station & Ross Avenue. M2 will run an opposite direction service. I have no idea for the frequency of the services. But services run Monday - Sunday daytimes with no evenings.
Tell me any ideas that you would do to improve the network in Wirral.
Should I do one for Liverpool?]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1742 Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:50:42 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1742 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1740 Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:25:22 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1740
https://truckersmp.com/blog/272]]>
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Over the years I've been working on fictional (mainly bus) timetables using a format similar to TfGM's - I've honestly found this the easiest to read - for routes I have travelled on frequently or run around the area's I frequently travel.

I've had a revamp of the website:
https://sites.google.com/view/dans-manc-transit
...with the first set of routes being operated by Arriva using a more simplified numbering structure:
https://sites.google.com/view/dans-manc-...les/arriva

I would really like to know what you think; if there was any changes you would see as better (whether it's the timings or the format I've designed it in) or ideas for future routes down the line.
There is ones works in process, and I'm always going back to the drawing board as you can probably see from my old site:
https://sites.google.com/site/dansmancpublictransit/

Hope you enjoy! ]]>
Over the years I've been working on fictional (mainly bus) timetables using a format similar to TfGM's - I've honestly found this the easiest to read - for routes I have travelled on frequently or run around the area's I frequently travel.

I've had a revamp of the website:
https://sites.google.com/view/dans-manc-transit
...with the first set of routes being operated by Arriva using a more simplified numbering structure:
https://sites.google.com/view/dans-manc-...les/arriva

I would really like to know what you think; if there was any changes you would see as better (whether it's the timings or the format I've designed it in) or ideas for future routes down the line.
There is ones works in process, and I'm always going back to the drawing board as you can probably see from my old site:
https://sites.google.com/site/dansmancpublictransit/

Hope you enjoy! ]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1724 Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:59:00 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1724
Lately, I have been spotting some great route ideas which could make the bus network in Greater Manchester, that little bit easier to use.

The route I have identified are currently missing connections and I might create some more over time.

Oldham - Royal Oldham Hospital - Royton - Thornham - Kirkholt - Sandbrook Leisure Park - Roch Valley - Fairfield Hospital - Bury | This route would restore a bus connection to Bury from Oldham via Royton the Old 400 route and create some new connections to Fairfield Hospital and Kirkholt Estate which is currently only served by local circular services.

Rochdale - Rochdale Infirmary - Spotlands - Norden - Turn - Edenfield - Ramsbottom | This route would reinstate through bus services through Norden and reinstate the connection between Edenfield and Rochdale, whilst providing a new connection to Ramsbottom. This route would enable passengers coming into Rochdale by Metrolink to seamless connect onto a service into Ramsbottom and Norden.

Rochdale - Smallbridge - Smithy Bridge - Hollingworth Lake - Littleborough Railway Station - Blackstone Edge - Ripponden - Halifax | This service could easily be diverted to Serve the lakes provides better through services to the popular Hollingworth Lakes and provide a direct connection to Halifax without a change in Littleborough and provide greater coverage.

Fitton Hill - Honeywell Lane - Hathershaw - Oldham - Westwood - Chadderton - Broadway Green Development - Broadgate - Moston Gardeners Arms - White Moss - North Manchester General Hospital | This service would provide better connections to Work/Leisure/Appointments as well other local services and reinstating a bus service along Broadgate and connecting Broadway Green Development to the bus network.

Ashton - Estates - Fitton Hill - Limeside - Failsworth Estates - Newton Heath - Central Park Interchange this would provide essential connections to the various estates and Metrolink at the underused Central Park interchange

Theses are only my ideas]]>
Lately, I have been spotting some great route ideas which could make the bus network in Greater Manchester, that little bit easier to use.

The route I have identified are currently missing connections and I might create some more over time.

Oldham - Royal Oldham Hospital - Royton - Thornham - Kirkholt - Sandbrook Leisure Park - Roch Valley - Fairfield Hospital - Bury | This route would restore a bus connection to Bury from Oldham via Royton the Old 400 route and create some new connections to Fairfield Hospital and Kirkholt Estate which is currently only served by local circular services.

Rochdale - Rochdale Infirmary - Spotlands - Norden - Turn - Edenfield - Ramsbottom | This route would reinstate through bus services through Norden and reinstate the connection between Edenfield and Rochdale, whilst providing a new connection to Ramsbottom. This route would enable passengers coming into Rochdale by Metrolink to seamless connect onto a service into Ramsbottom and Norden.

Rochdale - Smallbridge - Smithy Bridge - Hollingworth Lake - Littleborough Railway Station - Blackstone Edge - Ripponden - Halifax | This service could easily be diverted to Serve the lakes provides better through services to the popular Hollingworth Lakes and provide a direct connection to Halifax without a change in Littleborough and provide greater coverage.

Fitton Hill - Honeywell Lane - Hathershaw - Oldham - Westwood - Chadderton - Broadway Green Development - Broadgate - Moston Gardeners Arms - White Moss - North Manchester General Hospital | This service would provide better connections to Work/Leisure/Appointments as well other local services and reinstating a bus service along Broadgate and connecting Broadway Green Development to the bus network.

Ashton - Estates - Fitton Hill - Limeside - Failsworth Estates - Newton Heath - Central Park Interchange this would provide essential connections to the various estates and Metrolink at the underused Central Park interchange

Theses are only my ideas]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1714 Sat, 27 Nov 2021 11:38:51 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1714 Join us at Joseph Paxton School to see team Arriva take on team Stagecoach ⚽ tickets are just £2 and all proceeds will be going to charity.
It’s a match you won’t want to miss! A special thank you to our employees at Birkenhead Dept for organising and to Head Teacher Phill Arrowsmith for allowing us to use the pitch. We can’t wait to raise money for this fantastic cause."

https://www.facebook.com/northwestarriva...663092487/]]> Join us at Joseph Paxton School to see team Arriva take on team Stagecoach ⚽ tickets are just £2 and all proceeds will be going to charity.
It’s a match you won’t want to miss! A special thank you to our employees at Birkenhead Dept for organising and to Head Teacher Phill Arrowsmith for allowing us to use the pitch. We can’t wait to raise money for this fantastic cause."

https://www.facebook.com/northwestarriva...663092487/]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1710 Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:24:02 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1710
Where The Route Goes:
Route Number:
Company & Depot:
Frequency:
Best Bus to stick on it:]]>
Where The Route Goes:
Route Number:
Company & Depot:
Frequency:
Best Bus to stick on it:]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1703 Sun, 12 Sep 2021 14:59:00 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1703
Although entry normally costs£16, there is a reduced rate of £12.50 for students and people aged 60 or above.]]>
Although entry normally costs£16, there is a reduced rate of £12.50 for students and people aged 60 or above.]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1694 Mon, 31 May 2021 20:42:48 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1694
If I was to pick in terms of NW&W favourite bus, I would probably go with Wright Commander CX06 BHJ, brilliant bus when I last rode it, if I was to pick for all over the UK, I would've gone for the ZF Queen Wright Solar FJ03 VVM, if that was not scrapped, So I would go for CX06 BHJ for all over, and least favourite would be Wright Pulsar CX58 EUE, too loud and the Airbrake gives me a headache, it's too loud.]]>
If I was to pick in terms of NW&W favourite bus, I would probably go with Wright Commander CX06 BHJ, brilliant bus when I last rode it, if I was to pick for all over the UK, I would've gone for the ZF Queen Wright Solar FJ03 VVM, if that was not scrapped, So I would go for CX06 BHJ for all over, and least favourite would be Wright Pulsar CX58 EUE, too loud and the Airbrake gives me a headache, it's too loud.]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1671 Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:57:44 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1671
Currently, our bus network is confusing and not fully accessible and I would like to showcase my ideas on ways to improve the marketing materials, routes, and anything relating to the operations of TFGM Bus Network to make it simple and fully accessible to all and attract more people on to the bus network and out of cars.

This first part is going to be looking at the Marketing and Branding for the routes that I would introduce if I was in charge of the transformation once the bus network fully comes under the control of TFGM.

The Brands

Local Runner | Brand Colour Orange & Black

The Local Runner network will focus on serving local communities and amenities to connect them to the wider commercial network and amenities, this brand would see the reintroduce of the Little Gem Routes and their other brand counterparts from the 1980s with most routes using Mellor Strata Minibuses to allow unlimited routing option for the tighter residential streets where the big commercial buses currently struggle to operate or miss out completely.

The whole purpose of the Local Runner Brand is to provide a least one of these following connection options | Transport Interchanges, Education, Leisure, Retail, Industrial Estates, Hospitals or Local Town or Village Centre.

Theses routes would operate a maximum frequency of every 30 minutes 7 days a week to encourage more people onto the network by offering direct, simple and frequent services to the wider community.

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

TFGM Express | Brand Colour Gold & Black

The TFGM Express brand is a return of the most popular GM Buses Express services and using the examples from the popular express and long distanced service provided by Transdev. The routes would be a mixture of routes with Non-Stop Sections, Limited Stop offering.

Theses routes would operate a maximum frequency of Every 20 Minutes of Daytime and Every 30 Minutes of evenings 7 Days a week to encourage more people onto the network by offering direct, simple and frequent services to the wider community.

The vehicle would be high specifications with a classy Gold and Black livery to promote the luxury nature of theses routes

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

Hospital to Hospital Network | Brand Colour Blue & Black

The Hospital to Hospital Network is a new concept that would see routes connecting 2 hospital tigether to provide a seamless transition from one hospital to another hospital. This concept is much needed in Greater Manchester due to the wide spread of Hospital Services.

The long term plan of the network is to provide a 24/7 service on all routes for visitors, patients and staff to access the hospitals all day and all night without the need to change to another service.

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

Commercial Network | Brand Red & Black

The Commercial Network would be simplified with one brand colour and simpler routes due to the other brands being introduced to the network to help separate the service offerings.

The Commercial Network would focus on Main Road routes and direct routes from point A to B without going all around the houses to cover for local routes that have been withdrawn. Also, the commercial network would work alongside the TFGM express brand to provide a stopping service along a common section of the TFGM Express route.

The vehicles would carry a Red & Black branding which is a nod to Manchester City Transport days and black being the present-day colour option for TFGM. The interior would be a semi-high specification

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

The Bus Stop Flags

Currently, the use of Bus Stop is underused especially on busy bus corridors with multiple services operating along one road.

My proposal for the flags are simple, I would introduce coloured tiles to break up the services and make it clear with the brand of service would stop at that stop.

For example, you would have stop with 5 services 3 Commercial Network routes, 1 Local Runner and 1 TFGM Express. You would have 3 Red Tiles, 1 Orange Tile and 1 Gold tile with a service number on the tile.

The Network Map
The same principle as the bus stop flags, I would use the colours of the brands on the network map to showcase the classifications and branding on the routes to make selecting a route much easier than before.

For example, if you wanted to get the Manchester to Uppermill Express you would look for 184 which have a Gold Background on the map and a Gold Tile on the bus stops it stops at.

End Words
My Network branding and marketing ideas are only in the early stages of development as I don’t know the best avenue to showcase my ideas and get my ideas out there before TFGM Ruins the network even further as I have got a lot of experience and knowledge about how to best plan a functional and simple network and how to make it fully accessible to all.]]>
Currently, our bus network is confusing and not fully accessible and I would like to showcase my ideas on ways to improve the marketing materials, routes, and anything relating to the operations of TFGM Bus Network to make it simple and fully accessible to all and attract more people on to the bus network and out of cars.

This first part is going to be looking at the Marketing and Branding for the routes that I would introduce if I was in charge of the transformation once the bus network fully comes under the control of TFGM.

The Brands

Local Runner | Brand Colour Orange & Black

The Local Runner network will focus on serving local communities and amenities to connect them to the wider commercial network and amenities, this brand would see the reintroduce of the Little Gem Routes and their other brand counterparts from the 1980s with most routes using Mellor Strata Minibuses to allow unlimited routing option for the tighter residential streets where the big commercial buses currently struggle to operate or miss out completely.

The whole purpose of the Local Runner Brand is to provide a least one of these following connection options | Transport Interchanges, Education, Leisure, Retail, Industrial Estates, Hospitals or Local Town or Village Centre.

Theses routes would operate a maximum frequency of every 30 minutes 7 days a week to encourage more people onto the network by offering direct, simple and frequent services to the wider community.

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

TFGM Express | Brand Colour Gold & Black

The TFGM Express brand is a return of the most popular GM Buses Express services and using the examples from the popular express and long distanced service provided by Transdev. The routes would be a mixture of routes with Non-Stop Sections, Limited Stop offering.

Theses routes would operate a maximum frequency of Every 20 Minutes of Daytime and Every 30 Minutes of evenings 7 Days a week to encourage more people onto the network by offering direct, simple and frequent services to the wider community.

The vehicle would be high specifications with a classy Gold and Black livery to promote the luxury nature of theses routes

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

Hospital to Hospital Network | Brand Colour Blue & Black

The Hospital to Hospital Network is a new concept that would see routes connecting 2 hospital tigether to provide a seamless transition from one hospital to another hospital. This concept is much needed in Greater Manchester due to the wide spread of Hospital Services.

The long term plan of the network is to provide a 24/7 service on all routes for visitors, patients and staff to access the hospitals all day and all night without the need to change to another service.

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

Commercial Network | Brand Red & Black

The Commercial Network would be simplified with one brand colour and simpler routes due to the other brands being introduced to the network to help separate the service offerings.

The Commercial Network would focus on Main Road routes and direct routes from point A to B without going all around the houses to cover for local routes that have been withdrawn. Also, the commercial network would work alongside the TFGM express brand to provide a stopping service along a common section of the TFGM Express route.

The vehicles would carry a Red & Black branding which is a nod to Manchester City Transport days and black being the present-day colour option for TFGM. The interior would be a semi-high specification

The brand colour scheme would appear on Timetable, Bus Stop information, Flag Poles, The Vehicles and the network maps to showcase the route purpose and brand to people who use the network for the first time.

The Bus Stop Flags

Currently, the use of Bus Stop is underused especially on busy bus corridors with multiple services operating along one road.

My proposal for the flags are simple, I would introduce coloured tiles to break up the services and make it clear with the brand of service would stop at that stop.

For example, you would have stop with 5 services 3 Commercial Network routes, 1 Local Runner and 1 TFGM Express. You would have 3 Red Tiles, 1 Orange Tile and 1 Gold tile with a service number on the tile.

The Network Map
The same principle as the bus stop flags, I would use the colours of the brands on the network map to showcase the classifications and branding on the routes to make selecting a route much easier than before.

For example, if you wanted to get the Manchester to Uppermill Express you would look for 184 which have a Gold Background on the map and a Gold Tile on the bus stops it stops at.

End Words
My Network branding and marketing ideas are only in the early stages of development as I don’t know the best avenue to showcase my ideas and get my ideas out there before TFGM Ruins the network even further as I have got a lot of experience and knowledge about how to best plan a functional and simple network and how to make it fully accessible to all.]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1666 Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:03:49 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1666
So I have been recently looking through the SELNEC Route list and I thought it would be a good idea to revisit each of the routes as they ran with SELNEC to see if there could be a possibility that we go back to the SELNEC routes with modern-day alterations like the routes of the outlying area being renumbered to a new system.

I have started looking the Central Division routes and I would simply renumber any existing city centre route back to there original numbers as I have done with the list below

2 Manchester - Oldham Road - Royton - Newhey - Peppermint Bridge Turning Circle
This route could provide valuable connections with Metrolink Rochdale Lane for communities not already connected to the network.
2A Firswood - Piccadilly - Chadderton - Oldham Bus Station
This route could provide an alternative connection for Broadway with a new cross-city connection to Firswood to connect with Metrolink and Providing a service to Oldham from Broadway.
3 Manchester - Stretford - Flixton
4 Manchester - Heywood - Norden
This route could restore a valuable direct bus service back to Norden
5 Manchester - Stretford - Flixton
7 Cheetham Hill - Moston - Failsworth - Hollinwood Station
This route could either extend by the present-day 52 route and provide a better onward connection at a new and improved Hollinwood Interchange with the Metrolink
9 West Didsbury - Heaton Moor - Reddish
10 Manchester - Oldham - Lees - Greenfield
This service could be restored to a limited-stop service to reconnect Saddleworth back to Manchester
11 Piccadilly - Davyhulme - Trafford Centre
12 Piccadilly - Stretford - Flixton
13 Central Park - Oldham - Scouthead - Uppermill
This service could be reinstated as a Limited stop service to reconnect Scouthead to Manchester via the Metrolink Hub at Central Park
14 Manchester Peaks - Central Park - Oldham - Lees - Uppermill
This service could be reinstated as a limited-stop service to connect Saddleworth with Central Park for onward connection to Manchester
15 Piccadilly - Eccles - Worsley
16 Chorlton - Stockport - Stepping Hill
17 Manchester - Middleton - Rochdale
18 Manchester - Stockport - Torkington
This could be a limited-stop service like it used to be
19 Manchester - Gorton - Reddish
20 Manchester - Stockport - Poynton - Woodford
This could be a limited stop alternative to Woodford
21 Stockport - Levenshulme - Chorlton - Stretford - Eccles Interchange
23 Piccadilly - Davyhulme - Flixton
24 Manchester - Royton - Rochdale
Limited Service direct via Oldham Road and Broadway
25 Dukinfield Yew Tree Estate - Audenshaw Metrolink - Manchester LS Peaks
26 Manchester - Cheetham Hill - Blackley - Moston
31 Manchester - Didsbury - Cheadle - Bramhall
33 Manchester - Reddish - Greave - Limited Stop
34 Manchester - Reddish - Romiley - Limited Stop
35 Manchester - Whitefield - Bury - Metrolink Connect
36 Chorlton - Stockport - Offerton Estate
Could provide Metrolink connection for Offerton at Chorlton Station
40 Piccadilly - West Didsbury - Sale Moor
41 Manchester - West Didsbury - Brooklands - Altrincham
42 Manchester - East Didsbury - Stockport
44 Manchester - Northenden - Airport
45 Manchester - Didsbury - Cheadle - Gatley - Airport
46 Manchester - Northenden - Styal - Wilmslow
48 Manchester - Withington - Southern Cemetery
49 Manchester - West Didsbury - Southern Cemetery
50 Salford Quays - Manchester - Anson Road - East Didsbury

Theses are the route numbers as operated with SELNEC and some of the destinations have been changed to reflect some of my ideas on a modern day running of theses services notice how I'm wanting routes to work with Metrolink and other modes of Transport by curtailing or extending some services to Interchange points.

I will hand over to you now so you can your say on my ideas and share you ideas on how buses should be routed if you was tasked with creating a new network of routes to tackle congestion and attract people back on the buses]]>
So I have been recently looking through the SELNEC Route list and I thought it would be a good idea to revisit each of the routes as they ran with SELNEC to see if there could be a possibility that we go back to the SELNEC routes with modern-day alterations like the routes of the outlying area being renumbered to a new system.

I have started looking the Central Division routes and I would simply renumber any existing city centre route back to there original numbers as I have done with the list below

2 Manchester - Oldham Road - Royton - Newhey - Peppermint Bridge Turning Circle
This route could provide valuable connections with Metrolink Rochdale Lane for communities not already connected to the network.
2A Firswood - Piccadilly - Chadderton - Oldham Bus Station
This route could provide an alternative connection for Broadway with a new cross-city connection to Firswood to connect with Metrolink and Providing a service to Oldham from Broadway.
3 Manchester - Stretford - Flixton
4 Manchester - Heywood - Norden
This route could restore a valuable direct bus service back to Norden
5 Manchester - Stretford - Flixton
7 Cheetham Hill - Moston - Failsworth - Hollinwood Station
This route could either extend by the present-day 52 route and provide a better onward connection at a new and improved Hollinwood Interchange with the Metrolink
9 West Didsbury - Heaton Moor - Reddish
10 Manchester - Oldham - Lees - Greenfield
This service could be restored to a limited-stop service to reconnect Saddleworth back to Manchester
11 Piccadilly - Davyhulme - Trafford Centre
12 Piccadilly - Stretford - Flixton
13 Central Park - Oldham - Scouthead - Uppermill
This service could be reinstated as a Limited stop service to reconnect Scouthead to Manchester via the Metrolink Hub at Central Park
14 Manchester Peaks - Central Park - Oldham - Lees - Uppermill
This service could be reinstated as a limited-stop service to connect Saddleworth with Central Park for onward connection to Manchester
15 Piccadilly - Eccles - Worsley
16 Chorlton - Stockport - Stepping Hill
17 Manchester - Middleton - Rochdale
18 Manchester - Stockport - Torkington
This could be a limited-stop service like it used to be
19 Manchester - Gorton - Reddish
20 Manchester - Stockport - Poynton - Woodford
This could be a limited stop alternative to Woodford
21 Stockport - Levenshulme - Chorlton - Stretford - Eccles Interchange
23 Piccadilly - Davyhulme - Flixton
24 Manchester - Royton - Rochdale
Limited Service direct via Oldham Road and Broadway
25 Dukinfield Yew Tree Estate - Audenshaw Metrolink - Manchester LS Peaks
26 Manchester - Cheetham Hill - Blackley - Moston
31 Manchester - Didsbury - Cheadle - Bramhall
33 Manchester - Reddish - Greave - Limited Stop
34 Manchester - Reddish - Romiley - Limited Stop
35 Manchester - Whitefield - Bury - Metrolink Connect
36 Chorlton - Stockport - Offerton Estate
Could provide Metrolink connection for Offerton at Chorlton Station
40 Piccadilly - West Didsbury - Sale Moor
41 Manchester - West Didsbury - Brooklands - Altrincham
42 Manchester - East Didsbury - Stockport
44 Manchester - Northenden - Airport
45 Manchester - Didsbury - Cheadle - Gatley - Airport
46 Manchester - Northenden - Styal - Wilmslow
48 Manchester - Withington - Southern Cemetery
49 Manchester - West Didsbury - Southern Cemetery
50 Salford Quays - Manchester - Anson Road - East Didsbury

Theses are the route numbers as operated with SELNEC and some of the destinations have been changed to reflect some of my ideas on a modern day running of theses services notice how I'm wanting routes to work with Metrolink and other modes of Transport by curtailing or extending some services to Interchange points.

I will hand over to you now so you can your say on my ideas and share you ideas on how buses should be routed if you was tasked with creating a new network of routes to tackle congestion and attract people back on the buses]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1646 Thu, 03 Dec 2020 17:54:06 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1646 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1641 Tue, 17 Nov 2020 16:42:35 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1641
The footage must be artificially produced and highlights the inaccuracy and poor attention to detail evident in much of The Crown.]]>
The footage must be artificially produced and highlights the inaccuracy and poor attention to detail evident in much of The Crown.]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1637 Mon, 26 Oct 2020 01:56:22 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1637
What is the most unexpected change over that time? For me probably learning to drive a bus, that wasn't the plan 20 years ago but a very good thing that happened!

What 'could have beens' do you remember the most? Things like Go Ahead nearly buying Gillmoss depot back in late 2000!

What is your favourite bus or type over that period? Enviro400MMC or Optare Solo?! lol

Favourite liveries (or least favourite) from that time? Stagecoach Beachball is one of the best but I've always liked the proper original First Barbie livery too.

What is your own personal favourite photograph of a bus taken during that time? Not sure what mine would be, possibly Stagecoach 10534 VKB708 in Poppy livery, the first day it went out as VKB708.

Please do share any memories you have at all over the time, also let me know if you have been 'here' the whole 20 years and if not how long you have been a reader/member of the website!

All members are welcome to add their thoughts!]]>
What is the most unexpected change over that time? For me probably learning to drive a bus, that wasn't the plan 20 years ago but a very good thing that happened!

What 'could have beens' do you remember the most? Things like Go Ahead nearly buying Gillmoss depot back in late 2000!

What is your favourite bus or type over that period? Enviro400MMC or Optare Solo?! lol

Favourite liveries (or least favourite) from that time? Stagecoach Beachball is one of the best but I've always liked the proper original First Barbie livery too.

What is your own personal favourite photograph of a bus taken during that time? Not sure what mine would be, possibly Stagecoach 10534 VKB708 in Poppy livery, the first day it went out as VKB708.

Please do share any memories you have at all over the time, also let me know if you have been 'here' the whole 20 years and if not how long you have been a reader/member of the website!

All members are welcome to add their thoughts!]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1600 Sat, 25 Apr 2020 09:58:59 +0100 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1600
How many routes have changed, been cut back or scrapped since the creation of Greater Manchester Buses in 1986 and What routes have the joyess duty of covering theses routes.

Take a browse below of the routes 001 to 099, to see what routes you remember and what cover the route today.

2 | St Helens - Ashton in Makerfield via Haydock | Fully replaced by 320
4 | Victoria Station Circular via Piccadilly Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1,2,3
5 | Piccadilly Station Circular via Victoria Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1.2.3
6 | Piccadilly Station Circular via Victoria Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1.2.3
7 | Egerton - Manchester Arndale Express | Partly Replaced by 533, X8
9 | Blackrod - Manchester Arndale Express | Partly Replaced by 521. 575, X8
10 | Warrington - Manchester Arndale Via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 100, 28A, 100, 67, 33, 52, 50, 73, 51, 100
11 | Glazebrook Carlton Way - Manchester via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 100, 67, 33, 52, 50, 73, 51, 100
12 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Roe Green | Partly Replaced by 582, 553, 521, 553, 68, 66, 484, 70, 73. 27. 36
16 | Bacup - Manchester Express via Middleton | Partly Replaced by 464, 17
17 | Rochdale - Manchester Piccadilly via Middleton | Now terminates at Shudehill
18 | Clifton Junction Pilkingtons - Peel Green Hardy Lane via Monton Green| Partly Replaced by 66, 70, 10
19 | Swinton - Trafford Park via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 70, 2, 291, 272
20 | Leigh Findlay Street - Manchester Piccadilly via East Lancs Road | 584, 19, V1
21 | Eccles - Manchester Arndale via Swinton | Partly Replaced by 33, 70, 8, 79, 67
22 | Stockport - Bolton via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 25, 23, 2
23 | Rochdale - Manchester Stevenson Square Express | Partly Replaced by 409, 181, 419, 83
24 | Rochdale - Manchester Piccadilly Limited Stop via Chadderton | Partly Replaced by 409, 181, 83
26 | Leigh - Manchester via Worsley Limited Stop | Partly Replaced by 34, 66, 484, 70, 73, 27, 36,
28 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Pendlebury | Fully Replaced by 8
30 | Farnworth - Manchester via Walkden | Partly Replaced by 521, 68, 29, V1
31 | Farnworth - Manchester via Birch Lane | 521, 68, 29, V1
32 | Manchester Arndale - Wigan Express via Atherton | Partly Replaced by V1, 132,
33 | Manchester Piccadilly - Wigan Station Road via Astley | Partly Replaced by 33, 126, 695, 132, 634, 7, 630
34 | Manchester Arndale - Liverpool Mann Island Express via Leigh | Partly Replaced by 34, V1, 34, 10,
35 | Leigh Spinning Jenny Way - Manchester Arndale via Boothstown | Partly Replaced by 582, 132, 66, 36
36 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Little Hulton | Unchanged
37 | Daisy Hill Grey Man - Manchester Arndale via Over Hulton | Partly Replaced by 7, 521, 553. 37
38 | Hindley Bird in Hand - Manchester Arndale via Little Hulton | Partly Replaced by 559, 715. 7, 521, 533, 38
39 | Leigh Spinning Jenny Way - Manchester Arndale via Worsley | Partly Replaced by 582, 132, 66, 484, 70, 36
40 | East Didsbury Millgate Lane - Manchester via Fallowfield | Partly Replaced by 42A,
41 | Altrincham - Manchester via Sale | Partly Replaced by 263, 41
42 | Reddish Bulls Head - Manchester via Didsbury | Fully Replaced 42A
43 | Woodhouse Park - Manchester via West Didsbury | Extended to Airport
44 | Manchester Airport - Manchester via Gatley | Partly Replaced by 103, 312, 11A, 43
45 | Gatley - Manchester via East Didsbury | Partly Replaced by 11A, 42B
46 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Withington Hospital | Partly Replaced by Freebus, V1, 172, 23, 86, 15, Freebus
47 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Withington Hospital | Partly Replaced by Freebus, V1, 172, 23, 86, 15, Freebus in reverse
48 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Old Trafford | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 43, 111, 23, 86, 255, Freebus
49 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Old Trafford | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 43, 111, 23, 86, 255, Freebus in reverse
50 | East Didsbury - Manchester via Anson Road | Extended to Salford Quays
51 | Middleton to Manchester Piccadilly via Heaton Park | Partly Replaced by 156, 41, 18
52 | Old Trafford Circular via Queens Road | Partly Replaced by 53, 79, 73, 53, 95, 52, 41, 156, 53, 150, 192, 53, 15, 53
53 | Old Trafford Circular via Queens Road | Partly Replaced by 53, 79, 73, 53, 95, 52, 41, 156, 53, 150, 192, 53, 15, 53 in Reverse
54 | Belle Vue - Trafford Park via Moss Side | Partly Replaced by 150, 53, 85, 102, 15, 250
55 | Eccles - Eccles via Cawder Street One Way | Partly Replaced by 100, 52
56 | Eccles - Swinton Partington Lane via Agecroft | Partly Replaced by 100, 34, 52, 74/75, 484, 2
57 | Boarshaw - Manchester via Bank House | Partly Replaced by 12, 41, 56, 115/116, 41,
58 | Rochdale - Mills Hill via Oldham | Partly Replaced by 58, 59
59 | Rushcroft - Piccadilly Station via Mills Hill | Partly Replaced in Higginshaw by 58 & Cheetham Hill by 135
60 | Manchester Circular via Blackley | Partly Replaced by 41, 59, 156, 41, 18
61 | Manchester Circular via Blackley | Partly Replaced by 18, 41, 156, 59, 41
62 | Middleton - Manchester Shudehill via Smedley Rd | Fully Replaced by 156
63 | Manchester Arndale - Brookhouse via Weaste | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 33, 33B
64 | Manchester Piccadilly - Brookhouse via Ellesmere Park | Partly Replaced by 36, 67, 65, 10
65 | Irlam - Eccles via Barton Bridge | Partly Replaced by 67, 68, 291,
66 | Manchester - Peel Green via Winton | Partly Replaced by 67, 70, 68, 66
67 | Cadishead Glaze Estate - Manchester via Eccles | Unchanged
68 | Farnworth - Manchester via Monton | Partly Replaced by 68, 67
69 | Eccles Circular via Manchester | Partly Replaced by 10, 27, 33, 79, 53, 79, 73, 53, 33
70 | Eccles Circular via Manchester | Partly Replaced by 33, 53, 73, 79, 53, 79, 33, 27, 10
71 | Cheetham Hill Circular via Hightown | Partly Replaced by 151, 41, 52
72 | Clifton Junction - Stretford via Swinton Park | Partly Replaced by 70, 73, 27, 36, 73, 53, 33, 70, 79, 263
73 | Swinton Park - Trafford Park via Pendleton | Partly Replaced by 73, 53, 33, 70, 53, 291
74 | Irlam O’th Heights - Trafford Park via Ordsall | Partly Replaced by V1, 27
75 | Manchester Piccadilly - Moston via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 181, 117
76 | Manchester - Oldham Mumps via Coppice | Partly Replaced by 76, 52, 76, 74, 83, 149, 80
77 | Manchester Circular via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 76A, 171, 52, 151, 59
78 | Manchester Circular via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 59, 52, 171, 76A
79 | Manchester Circular via White Moss | Partly Replaced by 59, 41, 118
80 | Manchester - Middleton via Monsall | Partly Replaced by 114, 151, 114, 112
81 | Manchester Circular via White Moss | Partly Replaced by 118, 41, 59
82 | Waterhead - Chorlton via Hollinwood | Partly Replaced by 350, 83, 86
83 | Woodhouse - Manchester Express via Roman Road | Partly Replaced by 74, 396, 159, 83
84 | Moston Gardeners - Trafford Park Guinness Road via Crumpsall | Partly Replaced by 81, 118. 41, 59, 100, 70, 53, 291
85 | Manchester - Chorlton Arrowfield Road via Alexander Road | Fully Replaced by 85A
86 | Manchester - Stepping Hill Hospital via Chorlton | Partly Replaced by 85, 23, 314, 358, 373
87 | Manchester Circular via Thorpe Road | Partly Replaced by 81, 114, 151, 83
88 | Manchester Circular via Thorpe Road | Partly Replaced by 83, 151, 114, 81
89 | Whitefield - Trafford Park via Pendleton | Partly Replaced By 97, 93, 53, 73, 79, 53, 291
90 | Ramsbottom - Piccadilly Station via Bury | Partly Replaced by 472, 135
91 | Manchester - Unsworth via Hillock | Partly Replaced by 96, 135, 97, 94
92 | Bury - Ordsall via Carr Clough | Partly Replaced by 95, 92, 94, 92, 95, 70
93 | Manchester - Whitefield via Carr Clough | Partly Replaced by 93, 94, 93, 95
94 | Manchester - Bolton via Radcliffe | Partly Replaced by 98, 135, 513, 524, 544, 511, 471
95 | Manchester - Tottington via Bury | Partly Replaced by 98, 135, 480
96 | Manchester - Simister via Prestwich | Unchanged
97 | Manchester - Bury via Outwood | Partly Replaced by 98, 513, 512,
98 | Fallowfield - Victoria Station via Oxford Rd | Partly Replaced by 150, 44, 15, Freebus
99 | Sale Moor - Manchester via Northenden | Partly Replaced by 272, 108, 101, 44

I would love your guys feedback on this new feature and if you would like to see the rest of the network groups]]>
How many routes have changed, been cut back or scrapped since the creation of Greater Manchester Buses in 1986 and What routes have the joyess duty of covering theses routes.

Take a browse below of the routes 001 to 099, to see what routes you remember and what cover the route today.

2 | St Helens - Ashton in Makerfield via Haydock | Fully replaced by 320
4 | Victoria Station Circular via Piccadilly Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1,2,3
5 | Piccadilly Station Circular via Victoria Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1.2.3
6 | Piccadilly Station Circular via Victoria Station | Partly Replaced by Freebus 1.2.3
7 | Egerton - Manchester Arndale Express | Partly Replaced by 533, X8
9 | Blackrod - Manchester Arndale Express | Partly Replaced by 521. 575, X8
10 | Warrington - Manchester Arndale Via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 100, 28A, 100, 67, 33, 52, 50, 73, 51, 100
11 | Glazebrook Carlton Way - Manchester via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 100, 67, 33, 52, 50, 73, 51, 100
12 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Roe Green | Partly Replaced by 582, 553, 521, 553, 68, 66, 484, 70, 73. 27. 36
16 | Bacup - Manchester Express via Middleton | Partly Replaced by 464, 17
17 | Rochdale - Manchester Piccadilly via Middleton | Now terminates at Shudehill
18 | Clifton Junction Pilkingtons - Peel Green Hardy Lane via Monton Green| Partly Replaced by 66, 70, 10
19 | Swinton - Trafford Park via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 70, 2, 291, 272
20 | Leigh Findlay Street - Manchester Piccadilly via East Lancs Road | 584, 19, V1
21 | Eccles - Manchester Arndale via Swinton | Partly Replaced by 33, 70, 8, 79, 67
22 | Stockport - Bolton via Eccles | Partly Replaced by 25, 23, 2
23 | Rochdale - Manchester Stevenson Square Express | Partly Replaced by 409, 181, 419, 83
24 | Rochdale - Manchester Piccadilly Limited Stop via Chadderton | Partly Replaced by 409, 181, 83
26 | Leigh - Manchester via Worsley Limited Stop | Partly Replaced by 34, 66, 484, 70, 73, 27, 36,
28 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Pendlebury | Fully Replaced by 8
30 | Farnworth - Manchester via Walkden | Partly Replaced by 521, 68, 29, V1
31 | Farnworth - Manchester via Birch Lane | 521, 68, 29, V1
32 | Manchester Arndale - Wigan Express via Atherton | Partly Replaced by V1, 132,
33 | Manchester Piccadilly - Wigan Station Road via Astley | Partly Replaced by 33, 126, 695, 132, 634, 7, 630
34 | Manchester Arndale - Liverpool Mann Island Express via Leigh | Partly Replaced by 34, V1, 34, 10,
35 | Leigh Spinning Jenny Way - Manchester Arndale via Boothstown | Partly Replaced by 582, 132, 66, 36
36 | Bolton - Manchester Arndale via Little Hulton | Unchanged
37 | Daisy Hill Grey Man - Manchester Arndale via Over Hulton | Partly Replaced by 7, 521, 553. 37
38 | Hindley Bird in Hand - Manchester Arndale via Little Hulton | Partly Replaced by 559, 715. 7, 521, 533, 38
39 | Leigh Spinning Jenny Way - Manchester Arndale via Worsley | Partly Replaced by 582, 132, 66, 484, 70, 36
40 | East Didsbury Millgate Lane - Manchester via Fallowfield | Partly Replaced by 42A,
41 | Altrincham - Manchester via Sale | Partly Replaced by 263, 41
42 | Reddish Bulls Head - Manchester via Didsbury | Fully Replaced 42A
43 | Woodhouse Park - Manchester via West Didsbury | Extended to Airport
44 | Manchester Airport - Manchester via Gatley | Partly Replaced by 103, 312, 11A, 43
45 | Gatley - Manchester via East Didsbury | Partly Replaced by 11A, 42B
46 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Withington Hospital | Partly Replaced by Freebus, V1, 172, 23, 86, 15, Freebus
47 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Withington Hospital | Partly Replaced by Freebus, V1, 172, 23, 86, 15, Freebus in reverse
48 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Old Trafford | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 43, 111, 23, 86, 255, Freebus
49 | Manchester Victoria Circular via Old Trafford | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 43, 111, 23, 86, 255, Freebus in reverse
50 | East Didsbury - Manchester via Anson Road | Extended to Salford Quays
51 | Middleton to Manchester Piccadilly via Heaton Park | Partly Replaced by 156, 41, 18
52 | Old Trafford Circular via Queens Road | Partly Replaced by 53, 79, 73, 53, 95, 52, 41, 156, 53, 150, 192, 53, 15, 53
53 | Old Trafford Circular via Queens Road | Partly Replaced by 53, 79, 73, 53, 95, 52, 41, 156, 53, 150, 192, 53, 15, 53 in Reverse
54 | Belle Vue - Trafford Park via Moss Side | Partly Replaced by 150, 53, 85, 102, 15, 250
55 | Eccles - Eccles via Cawder Street One Way | Partly Replaced by 100, 52
56 | Eccles - Swinton Partington Lane via Agecroft | Partly Replaced by 100, 34, 52, 74/75, 484, 2
57 | Boarshaw - Manchester via Bank House | Partly Replaced by 12, 41, 56, 115/116, 41,
58 | Rochdale - Mills Hill via Oldham | Partly Replaced by 58, 59
59 | Rushcroft - Piccadilly Station via Mills Hill | Partly Replaced in Higginshaw by 58 & Cheetham Hill by 135
60 | Manchester Circular via Blackley | Partly Replaced by 41, 59, 156, 41, 18
61 | Manchester Circular via Blackley | Partly Replaced by 18, 41, 156, 59, 41
62 | Middleton - Manchester Shudehill via Smedley Rd | Fully Replaced by 156
63 | Manchester Arndale - Brookhouse via Weaste | Partly Replaced by Freebus, 33, 33B
64 | Manchester Piccadilly - Brookhouse via Ellesmere Park | Partly Replaced by 36, 67, 65, 10
65 | Irlam - Eccles via Barton Bridge | Partly Replaced by 67, 68, 291,
66 | Manchester - Peel Green via Winton | Partly Replaced by 67, 70, 68, 66
67 | Cadishead Glaze Estate - Manchester via Eccles | Unchanged
68 | Farnworth - Manchester via Monton | Partly Replaced by 68, 67
69 | Eccles Circular via Manchester | Partly Replaced by 10, 27, 33, 79, 53, 79, 73, 53, 33
70 | Eccles Circular via Manchester | Partly Replaced by 33, 53, 73, 79, 53, 79, 33, 27, 10
71 | Cheetham Hill Circular via Hightown | Partly Replaced by 151, 41, 52
72 | Clifton Junction - Stretford via Swinton Park | Partly Replaced by 70, 73, 27, 36, 73, 53, 33, 70, 79, 263
73 | Swinton Park - Trafford Park via Pendleton | Partly Replaced by 73, 53, 33, 70, 53, 291
74 | Irlam O’th Heights - Trafford Park via Ordsall | Partly Replaced by V1, 27
75 | Manchester Piccadilly - Moston via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 181, 117
76 | Manchester - Oldham Mumps via Coppice | Partly Replaced by 76, 52, 76, 74, 83, 149, 80
77 | Manchester Circular via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 76A, 171, 52, 151, 59
78 | Manchester Circular via New Moston | Partly Replaced by 59, 52, 171, 76A
79 | Manchester Circular via White Moss | Partly Replaced by 59, 41, 118
80 | Manchester - Middleton via Monsall | Partly Replaced by 114, 151, 114, 112
81 | Manchester Circular via White Moss | Partly Replaced by 118, 41, 59
82 | Waterhead - Chorlton via Hollinwood | Partly Replaced by 350, 83, 86
83 | Woodhouse - Manchester Express via Roman Road | Partly Replaced by 74, 396, 159, 83
84 | Moston Gardeners - Trafford Park Guinness Road via Crumpsall | Partly Replaced by 81, 118. 41, 59, 100, 70, 53, 291
85 | Manchester - Chorlton Arrowfield Road via Alexander Road | Fully Replaced by 85A
86 | Manchester - Stepping Hill Hospital via Chorlton | Partly Replaced by 85, 23, 314, 358, 373
87 | Manchester Circular via Thorpe Road | Partly Replaced by 81, 114, 151, 83
88 | Manchester Circular via Thorpe Road | Partly Replaced by 83, 151, 114, 81
89 | Whitefield - Trafford Park via Pendleton | Partly Replaced By 97, 93, 53, 73, 79, 53, 291
90 | Ramsbottom - Piccadilly Station via Bury | Partly Replaced by 472, 135
91 | Manchester - Unsworth via Hillock | Partly Replaced by 96, 135, 97, 94
92 | Bury - Ordsall via Carr Clough | Partly Replaced by 95, 92, 94, 92, 95, 70
93 | Manchester - Whitefield via Carr Clough | Partly Replaced by 93, 94, 93, 95
94 | Manchester - Bolton via Radcliffe | Partly Replaced by 98, 135, 513, 524, 544, 511, 471
95 | Manchester - Tottington via Bury | Partly Replaced by 98, 135, 480
96 | Manchester - Simister via Prestwich | Unchanged
97 | Manchester - Bury via Outwood | Partly Replaced by 98, 513, 512,
98 | Fallowfield - Victoria Station via Oxford Rd | Partly Replaced by 150, 44, 15, Freebus
99 | Sale Moor - Manchester via Northenden | Partly Replaced by 272, 108, 101, 44

I would love your guys feedback on this new feature and if you would like to see the rest of the network groups]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1580 Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:02:13 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1580
I would love to share my ideas on platform like this so others can have there say on my some time crazy route ideas to most logically improvements.

I'm firm believer of Hospital Routes and connecting Council Estates up to the bus network. as theses are two major incomes for profitable routes in my ideas and having routes that connect likes of Fitton Hill with Manchester is a winner in my eyes because you are then opening up job opportunity for the local residents who can't afford the cost of a car ownership.

Here we go my first batch of routes I would love to see operating.

400 | Bolton - Brieghtment - Bury - Fairfield General Hospital - Bury Road - Rochdale - Summit - Royton - Royal Oldham Hospital - Oldham West Street

This route would open up a new direct link between Bolton and Rochdale serving Fairfield Hospital, as well reconnecting Oldham with Bolton and Bury which as been long missed for the elderly residents who love a good visit around Bury Market. It would the first time that both Fairfield Hospital and Oldham Hospital has been connected together.

401 | Bury - Fairfield General Hospital Grounds - Roch Valley Way - Sandbrook - Kirkholt - Royton - Royal Oldham Hospital - Oldham West Street

This route would provide a variant to the 400 route, bypassing Rochdale and opening open new connection through Kirkholt and Sandbrook for the leisure park. It will be the first time that Kirkholt has been connected to Bury and Oldham and Also first time it seen a service connecting residents to hospitals.

402 | Mills Hill Station - Firwood Park - Chadderton Park - Broadway - Middleton Road - Westwood Metrolink - Oldham - Coldhurst - Royal Oldham Hospital - Carlton Way - Lea View - Royton - Sandy Lane Loop - Tandle Hills - Thornham Loop

A much need local service connecting local comminites with the Railway Line, Metrolink Line, Shops, Parks, Leisure and Hospitals. It will provide a bus service to oldham through Firwood Park for the first time and restore a much need through connection for residents in and around Thorp, Royton and Thornham with connection to a supermarket.

404 | Sholver Pearly Bank - Moorside - Watersheddings - Oldham - Chadderton Way - Burnley Lane - Chadderton Hall Road - Mills Hill - Middleton

A trail route to see if residents living between Sholver and Oldham would benefit from a service to Middleton via Chadderton Way and Chadderton Park. without changing buses in Oldham.

405 | Sholver Pearly Bank - Moorside - Watersheddings - Oldham - Chamber Road - Chapel Road - Limeside Road - Limeside Lime Green Road

This route would restore buses along Chapel Road and be more of a local runner than a profit making route.

406 | Pennine Meadows - Whinberry Way - Sholver - Watershedding - Derker - Oldham - Heron Street - Limeside via Elm Street - Lime Green Road Call - Roman Road - Woodhouses

There possibility of the route extending to Failsworth Day Drive serving Tesco. This would open up many new connections and options for local residents.

408 | Stalybridge - Stamford Park - Tameside Hospital - Hurst - Abbeyhills - Glodwick - Oldham - Royal Oldham Hospital - Shaw Road - Heyside Royton Hospice

The 408 will be restored to Stalybridge but rerouted to serve Tameside Hospital, to make a hospital to hospital connection with Oldham Hospital. It would be extended to terminate in Loop around Heyside.

409 | Rochdale - Royton - Oldham - Hathershaw - Ashton

This route will be upgrading to 24/7 operation and run every day of the year.

I hope you like this post and I will post more of my routes ideas as there come.]]>
I would love to share my ideas on platform like this so others can have there say on my some time crazy route ideas to most logically improvements.

I'm firm believer of Hospital Routes and connecting Council Estates up to the bus network. as theses are two major incomes for profitable routes in my ideas and having routes that connect likes of Fitton Hill with Manchester is a winner in my eyes because you are then opening up job opportunity for the local residents who can't afford the cost of a car ownership.

Here we go my first batch of routes I would love to see operating.

400 | Bolton - Brieghtment - Bury - Fairfield General Hospital - Bury Road - Rochdale - Summit - Royton - Royal Oldham Hospital - Oldham West Street

This route would open up a new direct link between Bolton and Rochdale serving Fairfield Hospital, as well reconnecting Oldham with Bolton and Bury which as been long missed for the elderly residents who love a good visit around Bury Market. It would the first time that both Fairfield Hospital and Oldham Hospital has been connected together.

401 | Bury - Fairfield General Hospital Grounds - Roch Valley Way - Sandbrook - Kirkholt - Royton - Royal Oldham Hospital - Oldham West Street

This route would provide a variant to the 400 route, bypassing Rochdale and opening open new connection through Kirkholt and Sandbrook for the leisure park. It will be the first time that Kirkholt has been connected to Bury and Oldham and Also first time it seen a service connecting residents to hospitals.

402 | Mills Hill Station - Firwood Park - Chadderton Park - Broadway - Middleton Road - Westwood Metrolink - Oldham - Coldhurst - Royal Oldham Hospital - Carlton Way - Lea View - Royton - Sandy Lane Loop - Tandle Hills - Thornham Loop

A much need local service connecting local comminites with the Railway Line, Metrolink Line, Shops, Parks, Leisure and Hospitals. It will provide a bus service to oldham through Firwood Park for the first time and restore a much need through connection for residents in and around Thorp, Royton and Thornham with connection to a supermarket.

404 | Sholver Pearly Bank - Moorside - Watersheddings - Oldham - Chadderton Way - Burnley Lane - Chadderton Hall Road - Mills Hill - Middleton

A trail route to see if residents living between Sholver and Oldham would benefit from a service to Middleton via Chadderton Way and Chadderton Park. without changing buses in Oldham.

405 | Sholver Pearly Bank - Moorside - Watersheddings - Oldham - Chamber Road - Chapel Road - Limeside Road - Limeside Lime Green Road

This route would restore buses along Chapel Road and be more of a local runner than a profit making route.

406 | Pennine Meadows - Whinberry Way - Sholver - Watershedding - Derker - Oldham - Heron Street - Limeside via Elm Street - Lime Green Road Call - Roman Road - Woodhouses

There possibility of the route extending to Failsworth Day Drive serving Tesco. This would open up many new connections and options for local residents.

408 | Stalybridge - Stamford Park - Tameside Hospital - Hurst - Abbeyhills - Glodwick - Oldham - Royal Oldham Hospital - Shaw Road - Heyside Royton Hospice

The 408 will be restored to Stalybridge but rerouted to serve Tameside Hospital, to make a hospital to hospital connection with Oldham Hospital. It would be extended to terminate in Loop around Heyside.

409 | Rochdale - Royton - Oldham - Hathershaw - Ashton

This route will be upgrading to 24/7 operation and run every day of the year.

I hope you like this post and I will post more of my routes ideas as there come.]]> https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1569 Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:20:22 +0000 https://dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1569
1 - Who was the best company of the year?
2 - Who was the worst company of the year?
3 - Which North West depot do you think made the most progress in 2019?
(This can be any depot located in the North West region)
4 - What bus(es) were the best delivery to a company of the year?
(This includes new and old buses to a company/depot that may have already been in use!)
5 - What withdrawn bus(es) were the hardest goodbye from a company of the year?
(This includes new and old buses that left a company/depot, even if they're still in use elsewhere!)
6 - Which bus(es) looked the smartest during the year?
7 - What was the rarest sighting of the year?
8 - What was the biggest surprise in the industry of the year?
9 - What was the biggest disappointment in the industry of the year?
10 - What bus was the best during the year?
11 - What bus was the worst during the year?
12 - What bus(es) are you most looking forward to in 2020?
13 - What bus(es) would you like to see in the North West in 2020?]]>
1 - Who was the best company of the year?
2 - Who was the worst company of the year?
3 - Which North West depot do you think made the most progress in 2019?
(This can be any depot located in the North West region)
4 - What bus(es) were the best delivery to a company of the year?
(This includes new and old buses to a company/depot that may have already been in use!)
5 - What withdrawn bus(es) were the hardest goodbye from a company of the year?
(This includes new and old buses that left a company/depot, even if they're still in use elsewhere!)
6 - Which bus(es) looked the smartest during the year?
7 - What was the rarest sighting of the year?
8 - What was the biggest surprise in the industry of the year?
9 - What was the biggest disappointment in the industry of the year?
10 - What bus was the best during the year?
11 - What bus was the worst during the year?
12 - What bus(es) are you most looking forward to in 2020?
13 - What bus(es) would you like to see in the North West in 2020?]]>