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(30/04/2016 19:43)Dentonian Wrote:  Go-Ahead have never shown an interest in the North West, and again I suspect are more used to high fares, high quality, high(er) speeds, like Transdev.

Many of our fares are cheaper than those in Greater Manchester, and we have a capped maximum single on urban servies!
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RE: First 2016/17 order
20923 - 20932 Volvo B11R for Dublin.
33431 - 33449 Enviro 400 MMC for Scotland East.
33450 - 33479 Enviro 400 MMC for Camborne.
33480 - 33487 Enviro 400 MMC for Hunslet Park.
33488 - 33490 Enviro 400 MMC for Lawrence Hill.
33491 - 33498 Enviro 400 MMC for Bath.
33931 - 33942 Enviro 400 MMC for Bristol.
35168 – 35192 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Leicester.
35193 – 35201 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Norwich.
35202 - 35213 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Hunslet Park.
35214 - 35228 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Bramley.
35229 - 35238 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Bradford.
36601 - 36620 Scania N280UD CNG for Lawrence Hill.
39314 - 39321 Enviro 400 GKN flywheel for Hunslet Park.
63369 - 63381 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Rotherham.
63382 - 63383 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Doncaster.
63384 - 63388 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Olive Grove.
67096 - 67105 Enviro 200 MMC for Caledonia.
67141 - 67150 Enviro 200 MMC for Doncaster.
67151 - 67166 Enviro 200 MMC for Adderley Green.
67167 - 67183 Enviro 200 MMC for Hoeford.
67184 - 67197 Enviro 200 MMC for Slough.
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RE: First 2016/17 order
(30/04/2016 19:43)Dentonian Wrote:  Actually, Stagecoach's investment in Greater Manchester (53 'deckers) is somewhat higher than in recent years, and as mentioned before First never reveal their plans for GM in advance, so we don't know. As for other operators in GM and surrounding areas, it is believed Rotala specifically bought South Lancs with an eye on franchising. Not sure about the others; Arriva have retrenched recently; High Peak probably aren't geared to urban ops; Transdev might want to charge even higher fares than already exist here. Go-Ahead have never shown an interest in the North West, and again I suspect are more used to high fares, high quality, high(er) speeds, like Transdev. As for NatEx, I think GM will be a culture shock, as they are used to hogging 70+% of any market they are in.

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. I agree with most of your views about the respective companies. Admittedly High Peak may bid for isolated routes on the eastern fringes.

Go-Ahead is interesting here. They were preferred bidders for Arriva MTL Gillmoss in 2000 but then pulled out to expand in the south. They did look at Stagecoach PrestonBus in 2011 but were not prepared to outbid Rotala. Maybe if First lose interest in north Manchester upon franchising, Go-Ahead will buy out the operation? Go-Ahead love running tendered bus routes in London.
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(03/05/2016 22:37)WhiteVanMan Wrote:  20923 - 20932 Volvo B11R for Dublin.
33431 - 33449 Enviro 400 MMC for Scotland East.
33450 - 33479 Enviro 400 MMC for Camborne.
33480 - 33487 Enviro 400 MMC for Hunslet Park.
33488 - 33490 Enviro 400 MMC for Lawrence Hill.
33491 - 33498 Enviro 400 MMC for Bath.
33931 - 33942 Enviro 400 MMC for Bristol.
35168 – 35192 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Leicester.
35193 – 35201 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Norwich.
35202 - 35213 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Hunslet Park.
35214 - 35228 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Bramley.
35229 - 35238 Wrightbus Streetdeck for Bradford.
36601 - 36620 Scania N280UD CNG for Lawrence Hill.
39314 - 39321 Enviro 400 GKN flywheel for Hunslet Park.
63369 - 63381 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Rotherham.
63382 - 63383 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Doncaster.
63384 - 63388 Wrightbus Streetlite Max DF for Olive Grove.
67096 - 67105 Enviro 200 MMC for Caledonia.
67141 - 67150 Enviro 200 MMC for Doncaster.
67151 - 67166 Enviro 200 MMC for Adderley Green.
67167 - 67183 Enviro 200 MMC for Hoeford.
67184 - 67197 Enviro 200 MMC for Slough.

Thank you for this detailed list. It is notable that there is such a variety of double-decks for West Yorkshire, and no midibuses eg 47000 series Streetlites on order.
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