Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

[MTL0201]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(30/01/2026 08:50)KX03 KYY Wrote:  This is only a Preposed list, I suspect a few routes on there be amended before the final version is released

Particularly some of the frequencies, the 409 should be every 30 minutes, the 437 should be every 10 minutes as well not every 20, notice how the 437 on Sunday is more frequent than Monday to Saturday in the proposals.


A bit disappointed the 423 is going to be replaced by the 413, as i find it handy having an Evening & Sunday through bus from Moreton to Liverpool, last 407 from Liverpool is 18.50, also means no route through Town Meadow area Evening & Sunday other than the Moreton Circular.

[moreton407]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(30/01/2026 09:36)MTL0201 Wrote:  Particularly some of the frequencies, the 409 should be every 30 minutes, the 437 should be every 10 minutes as well not every 20, notice how the 437 on Sunday is more frequent than Monday to Saturday in the proposals.


A bit disappointed the 423 is going to be replaced by the 413, as i find it handy having an Evening & Sunday through bus from Moreton to Liverpool, last 407 from Liverpool is 18.50, also means no route through Town Meadow area Evening & Sunday other than the Moreton Circular.

Looks like an hourly evening and Sunday 417(17) service will be replacing the half hourly 423 service around Town Meadow. The Moreton circulars are useless unless you want to travel half way round Moreton and Saughall Massie to get somewhere near the Town Meadow estate. These routes already carry fresh air, especially in the evening as the driver doesn't even put on internal lighting as nobody gets on it.

[MTL0201]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(30/01/2026 11:32)moreton407 Wrote:  Looks like an hourly evening and Sunday 417(17) service will be replacing the half hourly 423 service around Town Meadow. The Moreton circulars are useless unless you want to travel half way round Moreton and Saughall Massie to get somewhere near the Town Meadow estate. These routes already carry fresh air, especially in the evening as the driver doesn't even put on internal lighting as nobody gets on it.

Didn't see the 417 [17] going to Evening & Sunday, but every 60 minutes when the current 423 is every 30 is a downgrade in that area.

[KX03 KYY]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(30/01/2026 09:36)MTL0201 Wrote:  Particularly some of the frequencies, the 409 should be every 30 minutes, the 437 should be every 10 minutes as well not every 20, notice how the 437 on Sunday is more frequent than Monday to Saturday in the proposals.


A bit disappointed the 423 is going to be replaced by the 413, as i find it handy having an Evening & Sunday through bus from Moreton to Liverpool, last 407 from Liverpool is 18.50, also means no route through Town Meadow area Evening & Sunday other than the Moreton Circular.

I also don't get the 408 Liscard - Seacombe Circular when all obvious routes between the 2 are covered

[gka472l]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising
One of the forthcoming 'METRO' Electroliners has been sighted on test at Wrightbus carrying the fleetnumber 52427.....which presumably is the Go North West fleetnumber (all Go Ahead buses are allocated 5 digit fleetnumbers, however most don't carry them, only Oxford does in the 8**** series and East Yorkshire in the 2**** series). Stagecoach's Electroliners (all in London so far) are 82***.

HTH

[Jack]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(Yesterday 18:39)gka472l Wrote:  One of the forthcoming 'METRO' Electroliners has been sighted on test at Wrightbus carrying the fleetnumber 52427.....which presumably is the Go North West fleetnumber (all Go Ahead buses are allocated 5 digit fleetnumbers, however most don't carry them, only Oxford does in the 8**** series and East Yorkshire in the 2**** series). Stagecoach's Electroliners (all in London so far) are 82***.

HTH

Could it be a mistake and it should be 82427 ? If they're for Gillmoss then that will still be Stagecoach when they arrive .

[Raawwwrrr!]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(Yesterday 19:39)Jack Wrote:  Could it be a mistake and it should be 82427 ? If they're for Gillmoss then that will still be Stagecoach when they arrive .

The 50 Electroliners are for Laird Street so will be for Go North West.

Gilmoss have 58 ADL Enviro400ev’s on order

[Raawwwrrr!]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(Yesterday 12:26)KX03 KYY Wrote:  I also don't get the 408 Liscard - Seacombe Circular when all obvious routes between the 2 are covered

I’d hazard a guess that it interworks with the 405/406 judging by the proposed frequencies and current route times..

The 405/406 have a minimum of 15 minutes layover based on the new proposed hourly frequency and current route and current journey times. On a PVR 2 that gives a maximum of 30 minutes of layover that could be used to head off somewhere else

For example from Liscard Cresent:

Bus 1:
0900 - 405
0945 - 406
1030 - 408
1100 - 405 and so on…


Bus 2:
0930 - 408
1000 - 405
1045 - 406 and so on…

[gka472l]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(Yesterday 20:33)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  The 50 Electroliners are for Laird Street so will be for Go North West.

Gilmoss have 58 ADL Enviro400ev’s on order

I believe the 58 E400EV's *should* be 80501 upwards for Gillmoss.......

[Jack]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(Yesterday 20:33)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  The 50 Electroliners are for Laird Street so will be for Go North West.

Gilmoss have 58 ADL Enviro400ev’s on order

Ah i thought only Gillmoss was being electrified initially and they were getting both types . thanks for clarifying.