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RE: Arriva North West - Wythenshawe Depot
(29/04/2020 17:06)iMarkeh Wrote:  Where was this originally posted?

Abellio don't like local commercial buses. Look at Surrey. I can see them keeping their options open but not wanting to conclude any sale until franchising is confirmed and they know they can get work from the franchising.

By a well connected enthusiast on Facebook but I have personally checked it out with a few industry friends and got the same answer from 3 different sources.
Abellio are very pro-franchising (see a report on their website they did re Manchester being franchised!) so I would suspect it is a move into the area before franchising happens. Just wondered if anyone had heard anything inside.
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RE: Arriva North West - Wythenshawe Depot
(29/04/2020 18:14)tyresmoke Wrote:  By a well connected enthusiast on Facebook but I have personally checked it out with a few industry friends and got the same answer from 3 different sources.
Abellio are very pro-franchising (see a report on their website they did re Manchester being franchised!) so I would suspect it is a move into the area before franchising happens. Just wondered if anyone had heard anything inside.

Abellio don't like commercial work (look at Surrey) so it would be a big risk. In the unlikely event Clown Burnham isn't re-elected or franchising doesn't happen. I would 100% see them trying to keep their options open and put in an offer ready but I can't see them wanting to conclude any sale until such a time franchising is confirmed.
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RE: Arriva North West - Wythenshawe Depot
(29/04/2020 21:47)iMarkeh Wrote:  Abellio don't like commercial work (look at Surrey) so it would be a big risk. In the unlikely event Clown Burnham isn't re-elected or franchising doesn't happen. I would 100% see them trying to keep their options open and put in an offer ready but I can't see them wanting to conclude any sale until such a time franchising is confirmed.

From my understanding of Arriva Wythenshawe's financial history; they have suffered significant loss in the last decade or so. With the Metrolink initially hitting their profits on the Altrincham line affecting 263 (and simular) routes, loss of gains with tender routes like the 20, the Airport line cutting customer numbers for 18 (which ceased commercial operation) and 19 (which faced multiple commercial changes that only upset customers further) and losing evening tender routes (less Arriva ticket buyers) making the depot a lot less valuable to the North West operations.

I do hope that Franchising does come into form despite the financial implications COVID-19 has caused. Operators will not be likely to bring back commercial routes to the frequency prior to the outbreak, therefore for best possible savior for public transport would be to a not focus on making as much profit as possible with operators that favour a franchise route be a better fit for Wythenshawe that despite financial issues is in a good location for those who depend on public transport to get around.
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RE: Arriva North West - Wythenshawe Depot
(29/04/2020 21:47)iMarkeh Wrote:  Abellio don't like commercial work (look at Surrey) so it would be a big risk. In the unlikely event Clown Burnham isn't re-elected or franchising doesn't happen. I would 100% see them trying to keep their options open and put in an offer ready but I can't see them wanting to conclude any sale until such a time franchising is confirmed.

Talking of which, a decision on franchising had been due in March. This has inevitably been delayed due to Coronavirus.

If Arriva really want to divest their Manchester depots, I think Go-Ahead could be interested. They seem content either way with commercial or franchised operations.
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