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(05/01/2019 21:06)Metroline1511 Wrote:  I had wondered whether First would eventually drop route 41 and let Stagecoach adopt it if interested. Now that it is being extended to NMGH / Middleton this seems less likely.

I’d hoped the same. The sale - northenden section picks up a fair few passengers, but very few travel entirely on the fridays-Manchester section, the route would be far more viable as an extended stagecoach 143/147.

The problem was when stagecoach competed the other year extending the 143, the reliability was abysmal, with journeys regularly failing or terminating short. First have made efforts on the 41 but it’s hampered by the annoying 10/20/10/20 frequency outbound which usually yields two buses in five minutes then a 25-30 minute wait.
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Couple of statements released by First, this one on the 33:

‘The Monday to Saturday daytime service was reduced from 4 buses an hour to 3 buses due to the significant disruption caused by roadworks. Unfortunately passenger numbers have declined and in order to combat the congestion journey times have been increased meaning fewer journey can be operated with the same number of buses and drivers. The continued decline in passenger numbers means that even this reduced level of service is no longer sustainable and a further reduction has been registered for 28th January. In order to assist punctuality we are revising the outbound route from 9th December.'

And the 415:

To operate the current route, vehicles of a non-standard size are required. First Manchester have advised that despite significant investment in the pool of vehicles which are used on the 415 (and the 353/4), they are at the end of their life and this is impacting reliability of the service. It is accepted that a small number of customers will lose their service however the cost of replacement cannot be justified for the requirement.

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(12/01/2019 10:04)T42 PVM Wrote:  And the 415:

To operate the current route, vehicles of a non-standard size are required. First Manchester have advised that despite significant investment in the pool of vehicles which are used on the 415 (and the 353/4), they are at the end of their life and this is impacting reliability of the service. It is accepted that a small number of customers will lose their service however the cost of replacement cannot be justified for the requirement.

This ‘significant investement in the pool of vehicles’ is worth a laugh. The first replacements for the Crusader Darts were clapped out 12 year old Marshall Darts from London, their replacement were clapped out 11 year old Solos and old Pointer Darts from Cornwall.

I don’t think other people’s cast offs are ‘investment’. When First still had London divisions they were sending Enviro200’s to Ensign, they would have been perfect for the 415.
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(12/01/2019 10:45)acocker96 Wrote:  This ‘significant investement in the pool of vehicles’ is worth a laugh. The first replacements for the Crusader Darts were clapped out 12 year old Marshall Darts from London, their replacement were clapped out 11 year old Solos and old Pointer Darts from Cornwall.

I don’t think other people’s cast offs are ‘investment’. When First still had London divisions they were sending Enviro200’s to Ensign, they would have been perfect for the 415.

I totally agree, I think this is just an excuse to re-route the service.

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(12/01/2019 10:48)T42 PVM Wrote:  I totally agree, I think this is just an excuse to re-route the service.

I’m surprised it took them so long to be honest, I saw an Enviro400 on the 415 once in 2013 late on a Saturday night. I assume it went the new route. I heard ages ago that they tried to run a Citaro on the old route but got caught out by the bridge.

I assume the 415 will probably be B7RLE or Enviro300 now.
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(12/01/2019 14:15)acocker96 Wrote:  I’m surprised it took them so long to be honest, I saw an Enviro400 on the 415 once in 2013 late on a Saturday night. I assume it went the new route. I heard ages ago that they tried to run a Citaro on the old route but got caught out by the bridge.

I assume the 415 will probably be B7RLE or Enviro300 now.

Noting that Stagecoach will probably have another 4, Enviro200s spare in a fortnight, I can't help thinking if this had happened pre 2014, they would simply have registered a 415 themselves.
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(12/01/2019 10:45)acocker96 Wrote:  This ‘significant investement in the pool of vehicles’ is worth a laugh. The first replacements for the Crusader Darts were clapped out 12 year old Marshall Darts from London, their replacement were clapped out 11 year old Solos and old Pointer Darts from Cornwall.

I don’t think other people’s cast offs are ‘investment’. When First still had London divisions they were sending Enviro200’s to Ensign, they would have been perfect for the 415.

I remember some 15 years ago brand new solos were launched on the 415 route and were always packed full. For some unknown reason a decision was made to take those off and replaced with end of life vehicles and as they obviously broke down regularly people stopped using the route. Why can I see the pattern and firstbus can't?

The current darts were transfered from Ashton, so hardly an investment in the route
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If the 415 does not pick up many people now why not just bring in older Buses from elsewhere, like the Marshalls was

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(12/01/2019 22:57)T42 PVM Wrote:  If the 415 does not pick up many people now why not just bring in older Buses from elsewhere, like the Marshalls was

The cost of refurbishment. Something which First Manchester hasn’t heard the meaning of.
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(13/01/2019 10:45)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  The cost of refurbishment. Something which First Manchester hasn’t heard the meaning of.

The cost of a quick P&P (Assuming First are capable of that) must cost a lot less than getting a new Bus in, It would keep a Service going and that has to be a win

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