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RE: List Of Bus Routes Wirral October 1986
(14/06/2012 11:30)St Helens Rider Wrote:  After De-reg, wasn't the evening 431's numbered 131 and tendered.

Also not forgetting that Birkenhead & District also ran a service between Liverpool & New Brighton which I think was just numbered 31.

The Evening service was indeed 131 even Sunday Evenings.

I do remember the 147 which was short lived as was the 146, the 147 went down Price Street, it went down Vittoria Street.
The 146 followed the 123/124 to Moreton Cross but didn't go via Ross Avenue, then around Sandbrook, as the 36 went direct down Hoylake Road & Upton Road.

The 45/45A went via Birket Avenue & Twickenham Drive rather than direct via Reeds Lane & Leasowe Road.

The 15 was short lived normally interworked with the 33, was replaced by diverting the 18 to Seacombe.

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RE: List Of Bus Routes Wirral October 1986
(14/06/2012 09:58)moreton407 Wrote:  
(06/06/2012 21:13)SNL 824 Wrote:  Thanks MTL.

I left the Wirral in 1980 and didn't get back until 2004. Can someone fill in some gaps please? What happened to the 91/92 Oxton Circle and 90/94 North Circle. Also when I left the Liverpool-Heswall service was 418/419. What was the difference between the 417 and 419?

Also this service was one of, if not, the first MPTE Rapidrides, albeit Crosville operated. These were designated with the 4 prefix. Somewhere along the way the Rapidrides died away and the 4 prefix was used to designate cross-river and then Wirral services. Can anyone fill in the background on this?

The 418/419 were renumbered 471/472/473 when Arriva did the number chaning on the Wirral, this was so the former route 18 could be renumbered 418/419
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RE: List Of Bus Routes Wirral October 1986
In the end it made sense renumbering 417/418 to 471/472/413 as they followed the existing 472[with 417 diverting via Irby, 473 was added for School jorneeys to/from Neston].

Originally the 417/418 went via the M53 & Wallasey Tunnel to Liverpool as they were more an express route, before being rerouted via the Birkenhead Tunnel & the Flyovers to/from Borough Road, then ended up using the 472 route, the only difference being the extention to Barnston.

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RE: List Of Bus Routes Wirral October 1986
I remember the launch of the 418/9 using ERGs. They were quickly replaced with ENLs and then DVGs. These were flagship routes that always got the newest vehicles and often experimental vehicles. ENL 861 and 863 were regulars and had some sort of uprated turbos - they sounded fantastic. A year or two later DVG 276 and 284 were the regulars. One of these two (can't remember which) had fully auto transmision - I think a first for Crosville. Another interesting regular on the 418 was CRG 103 which in the late 70s operated a 418 journey that left Heswall at about 8am, resplendent in National Express white livery but fully fitted for omo.
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RE: List Of Bus Routes Wirral October 1986
(15/06/2012 00:15)SNL 824 Wrote:  I remember the launch of the 418/9 using ERGs. They were quickly replaced with ENLs and then DVGs. These were flagship routes that always got the newest vehicles and often experimental vehicles. ENL 861 and 863 were regulars and had some sort of uprated turbos - they sounded fantastic. A year or two later DVG 276 and 284 were the regulars. One of these two (can't remember which) had fully auto transmision - I think a first for Crosville. Another interesting regular on the 418 was CRG 103 which in the late 70s operated a 418 journey that left Heswall at about 8am, resplendent in National Express white livery but fully fitted for omo.
I'm going off topic as I'm adrift by about ten years so I'll shut up now.

For as short time early 80s Crosville also got PTE Fleetlines on hire from Laird Street, & were painted into Crosville livery, & a few were allocated to the 418/419.

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RE: Old Bus Routes Wirral
Looking at the old Forum looked at my threads for old routes & copied these

List of MPTE & Crosville Wirral area routrs as of May 74;

Routes operated by MPTE
Birkenhead-Liverpool Night Tunnel service[not numbered]
1/1A, Seacombe-New Brighton
2, Seacombe-Grove Road
3/4/5, Seacombe-Town Meadow Lane[3/5]/Saughall Massie[4]
7/8, New Brighton-Moreton

9, Liscard-Charing Cross via North Station
10, New Brighton-New Ferry[Boundry Road]
11/11A, New Brighton-Higher Tranmere[The Wiend]
12, Egremont-Charing Cross
13, Egremont-Birkenhead[Bridge Street]

14/16, Seacombe-New Brighton
21/22, Woodside-Moreton[Bermuda Road[21]/Moreton Shore[22]
23, Sommerville-Leasowe Estate
24, Saughall Massie-Moreton Cross, via Sandbrook & Pasture Avenue
25, Leasowe Station-Upton[Manor Drive/Meadway]

26, Seacombe-Liscard, via Poulton Road
27, New Brighton[Kirkland Road-Harrison Drive
28/28A, Bromborough[Acre Lane 28, or, Croft Avenue 28A]-Moreton [Bermuda Road]
29, Liscard-Frankby Cemetery
31/32, New Brighton/Liscard-Liverpool

33/34, Seacombe-Poulton-Egremont Circular
36A, Woodside-Bromborough Pool
39/41, Woodside-Eastham Village[39]/Mill Park Estate[41]
42/43, Brookhurst Estate-Saughall Massie
44 New Ferry-Eastham Ferry, [Crosville service]

51/51A, Port Sunlight-Upton Village[51A]/Saughall Massie[51]
51B/51C, Port Sunlight-Claughton Village[51B]/Laird Street Garage[51C]
52, Port Sunlight-Park Station
56, Park Station-Landicain Cemetery
58/58C, Woodside-Clatterbridge

60, Woodside-Poulton Lancelyn
64, Woodside-New Ferry
70/70A, Woodside-Woodchuirch Circular
71/71A/71B, Woodside-Heswall via Irby
77, Woodside-Moreton Shore via Arrowe Park

78, Woodside-Greasby via Woodchurch Road
79/80, Woodside-Prenton Circular
85/86, Woodside-South Circular
90/94, Woodside-North Circular
91/92 Woodside-Oxton Circular

95/97, Woodside-Noctorum Circular
96, Woodside-Greasby
98/99, Woodside-Ford Circular
418/419, Heswall-Liverpool[Crosville services]
441/470, Woodside-Mill Park Estate[441]/Woodchurch[470]Rapidride services
493, Noctorum-Ford-Park Station, Rapidride service

Following routes operated by Crosville
C1, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Chester Direct
C3/C4, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Chester, via Ellesmere Port
C19/C20, Chester-Clatterbridge, via Ellesmere Port
C22/C23, Chester-Meols

F1/F3/F97/F98, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Ellesmere Port[Vauxhalls or Bowaters], Works service
F8, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Hollywell
F9, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Denbigh
F10/F11, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Llanferres or Loggerheads[F10]/Pantymwyn[F11]
F13, Liverpool-Birkenhead[Woodside]-Broughton Factory, Works service

F14/F16, Parkgate-Neston-Little Neston
F15, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Burton, via Bromborough & Neston
F17/F18, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Parkgate
F19/F20, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Heswall, via Pensby
F21, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Cleaver Hospital, via Pensby

F22/F23, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Heswall, via Barnston, Heswall Lower Village[F23]
F24, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Heswall, via Storenton
F25, Heswall-Banks Road
F27, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Meols, via Arrowe Park & Caldy
F28/F29 West Kirby-Greasby[F28], Heswall-Irby Road[F29, School services

F20, West Kirby Sealand[R.A.F Station]Works service
F32/F33/F35, BirkenheadPark Station]-West Kirby
F34, Birkenhead[Park Station]-Liscard
F36, Newton Village-St Bridget's School, School service
F38/F39, Birkenhead[Park Station]-Newton[China Farm Lane] via Moreton
& Hoylake

F40/F41, Heswall-New Ferry, via Thornton Hough & Clatterbridge
F47, Ness-Upton, School service
F48, Barnston-Caldy Grammar Schools, School service
F50/F57, Ellesmere Poer-Meols, via Neston & Heswall
F51 to F55, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Thornton Offices, Works service

F56, Heswall-Woodchurch Schools, School service
F58/F60, Moreton-Thornton Offices, Works service
F74 to F79, Liverpool or New Brighton or West Kirby-Capenhurst Works, Works service
F81/F84/F87, West Kirby or Meols or Hoylake-Capenhurst Works, Works service
F88, Ellesmere Port-Clatterbridge

F89, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Crange Hospital
J22, Runcorn-Clatterbridge
L5, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Chester direct, Limited Stop
L6, Birkenhead[Woodside]-Chester Zoo, Limited Stop

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RE: Old Bus Routes Wirral
By the 1977 timetable book which i've got the network was mostly unchanged however there were some changes

9/12/13/24/33/34/58/58C withdrawn

1 New Brighton-Charing Cross, extended to Charing Cross replacing the 12
4/5 Saughall Massie-Seacombe/Woodside, some journeys diverted to Woodside replacing the 13, also rerouted via Liscard, & the new Sandbrook Estate
10 New Brighton-Clatterbridge, service diverted to Clatterbridge replacing the 58/58C
11/11A New Brighton-New Ferry, both routes extended to New Ferry, 11A replacing the 9 to Liscard-Birkenhead North

Most of the Crosville works services were withdrawn only the C5/F1/F51 operated

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At Deregulation the 18/18A didnt go all the way to Mill Park , that was left in the hands of the Merseytravel route from Mill Park to Arrowe Park Hospital. The commercial service was in the hands of Merseybus , but the original Merseytravel service was in the hands of crosville .
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(16/06/2012 07:26)wirralbus Wrote:  At Deregulation the 18/18A didnt go all the way to Mill Park , that was left in the hands of the Merseytravel route from Mill Park to Arrowe Park Hospital. The commercial service was in the hands of Merseybus , but the original Merseytravel service was in the hands of crosville .

Think it's the 118/119 daytime journeys, not the 18/18A that didn't go to Mill Park, that happened because Merseybus didn't register the MPTE routes 17/18/19 so Merseytravel came in & registered a 118/119 Arrowe Park-Mill Park, but Merseybus ended up registering the 18/18A quite late after the 118/119 were registered, & the i remember the 118/119 cut to Bebington Oval-Arrowe Park.

216/217 was a similar scenario the service was registered quite late, but don't think Toppings were ready to operate the route, so Merseybus ended up running the route until Jan 87, when Toppings took over.

If anyone remembers bus changes couldn't be made from D-Reg until the end of Jan 87

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RE: Old Bus Routes Wirral
Wirral routes 1979

1 New Brighton-Charing Cross
2 Seacombe-Grove Road
3 Seacombe-Woodside
4/5 Saughall Massie-Seacombe/Woodside
6 Egremont-Moreton
7/8 New Brighton-Newton
7E Hosside Road-Moreton

10 New Brighton-Clatterbridge
10D New Brighton-St Catherine's Hospital
11/11A New Brighton-New Ferry
12/12A New Brighton-Poulton Lancelyn
14/16 New Brighton-Seacombe
17 Seacombe-Grove Road

20 Grove Road-Derby Pool
21 Woodside-Bermuda Road
22 Woodside-Leasowe
23 Somerville-Leasowe
25 Upton-Leasowe Station
27 Harrison Drive-New Brighton
28 Mill Park-West Kirby
29 Liscard-Frankby Cemetery

31/32 New Brighton/Liscard- Liverpool
41 Woodside-Mill Park
42 Saughall Massie-Mill Park
51/51C/51D/51E Port Sunlight-Saughall Massie/West Kirby
52/52A/53/53A/53B/55/55A Mill Park-Bromborough Pool-Woodside/Laird Street Garage
54/54A Bromborough-West Kirby
56 Park Station-Landican Cemetery

60 Woodside-Poulton Lancelyn
64 Woodside-New Ferry

70/70A Woodside-Woodchurch Circular
71/71A Woodside-Irby-Heswall
72/72A/73/74 Woodside-Pensby-Heswall/Cleaver Hospital
75/76 Woodside-Barnston-Heswall
77 Woodside-Storeton-Heswall
78 Heswall-Banks Road
79 Heswall-Heswall Lower Village-Heswall

80 Woodside-Arrowe Park-Caldy-West Kirby
80A Woodside-Arrowe Park-Newton-West Kirby
81/81 Woodside-Upton-West Kirby
83 New Ferry-Heswall-West Kirby
84 New Ferry-Heswall-West Kirby
85 Eastham Ferry-Heswall-West Kirby
87/88 Woodside-Parkgate
89 Woodside-Burton

91/92 Woodside-Oxton Circular
93 Woodside-Ford Estate
95/97 Woodside-Noctorum Circular
98/99 Woodside-Ford Circular

C1/C3/C4 Woodside-Chester
C5 Woodside-Ellesmere Port
C22/C23 West Kirby-Chester
F9/F10/F11 Woodside-Denbigh/Llanferres/Pantymwyn

Night Tunnel service, this had no number yet.

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