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(02/05/2022 16:32)Mayneway Wrote:  I think once it was highlighted and we were made aware of the issue it wasn’t such an issue but Selwyns refused to rectify the issue.
Arriva continued to sell system one group tickets months after they were withdrawn, we were told not to accept them.

If Arriva sold a withdrawn product then any card dispute would involve the Arriva transaction, not any transaction made with another operator.

If the Selwyns ticket were printed correctly and just had the wrong fare on them then I don't think they'd be the ones who lose out if the transactions are disputed. If they weren't taking the right fares that's an issue for them and TfGM, not for the customer who made the transaction. If it wasn't clear from the ticket what had been sold then it might be a card dispute would see the Selwyns payment reversed.

Of course not everyone pays by card but after many people experienced difficulties getting refunds from airlines and some travel companies, after their holidays were cancelled due to COVID, the chargeback scheme is much better known now.
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(02/05/2022 07:18)NorthernCounties Wrote:  Selwyn himself is well known for not liking doing tenders work, but during the lockdown and no coach work it was a way to guarantee income and keep the company running. Doesn't surprise me he's not carrying on with bus work

So, it seems that they refrained from even bidding to retain the routes and wanted out anyway.
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(02/05/2022 18:30)Metroline1511 Wrote:  So, it seems that they refrained from even bidding to retain the routes and wanted out anyway.

When Selwyn's bought Haytons several years ago all tendered work was given up rather fast. Again after buying his company back from RAPT DEV he got rid of tenders again. Selwyn is definitely not a fan of service work and much happier on the coach side and school routes. Can't blame him,there can be a lot of headaches with tenders
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Selwyns have been doing school contracts for a long time though. They were running some in Cheshire in the 1990s using coaches. I suppose that gives a guaranteed income and doesn't require using a coach/driver on the most popular dates for coach holidays and day trips.
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Selwyns are probably one of those firms who does put in for the tenders but does so at a silly price. IF they win, great there is a lot of profit for them (if they don't get any penalties), if they don't win, they don't care.
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Just remembered back when I was at school and we had a half term trip to Alton Towers it was a Selwyn's coach that took us. The unusual thing (for a school trip) was when we got there it was the driver who got off and collected the tickets and the tickets had Selwyn's name printed on them.
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Can expect a few contract changes in October. Been some cancellations of tendered journeys appearing in the last week, in particular some of Diamond's Salford minibus network.

PC0001909/93 Cancelled
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Middleton Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station via Failsworth Tesco, Oldham Royal Hopsital
Service number: 159
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2022

PC0001909/84 Cancelled
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Gamesley Edale Crescent , Hyde Bus Station to Glossop Market Hall, Hyde Bus Station via Gamesley
Service number: 341
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2022

PC2021320/26 Cancelled
GO NORTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Leigh to Manchester via Worsley, Monton, Salford Shopping Centre
Service number: 34 (34)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/241 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton to Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton via Irlams o 'th' Heights, Agecroft, Langley Road
Service number: 74 (75)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/306 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton to Eccles Interchange via Eccles
Service number: 70
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/273 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Eccles Interchange to Preswich, Longfield Centre via Swinton, Worsley
Service number: 66
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/216 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Eccles Interchange to Eccles Interchange via Westwood Park
Service number: 65
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/219 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Boothstown to Media City
Service number: 29
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022
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Some changes to operators on tendered routes next month in Oldham with some losses for Stagecoach. First have returned to Derker with the 411 route (879 school route, which runs off the 411 also registered by First), while Stotts will take over the running of the 183 between Limeside and the hospital.

Stotts will also take over journeys on the 345 from Stagecoach in Tameside.

PC0003680/1039 Registered
FIRST MANCHESTER LTD
Route: Oldham Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station via Derker
Service number: 411
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0001909/121 Registered
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Limeside to Royal Oldham Hospital
Service number: 183
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0001909/123 Registered
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Ashton Interchange to Ashton Interchange via Ashton, Denton
Service number: 345
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022
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(07/07/2022 20:55)SF07 Wrote:  Can expect a few contract changes in October. Been some cancellations of tendered journeys appearing in the last week, in particular some of Diamond's Salford minibus network.

PC0001909/93 Cancelled
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Middleton Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station via Failsworth Tesco, Oldham Royal Hopsital
Service number: 159
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2022

PC0001909/84 Cancelled
STOTTS TOURS (OLDHAM) LTD
Route: Gamesley Edale Crescent , Hyde Bus Station to Glossop Market Hall, Hyde Bus Station via Gamesley
Service number: 341
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2022

PC2021320/26 Cancelled
GO NORTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Leigh to Manchester via Worsley, Monton, Salford Shopping Centre
Service number: 34 (34)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/241 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton to Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton via Irlams o 'th' Heights, Agecroft, Langley Road
Service number: 74 (75)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/306 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Salford Shopping Centre, Pendleton to Eccles Interchange via Eccles
Service number: 70
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/273 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Eccles Interchange to Preswich, Longfield Centre via Swinton, Worsley
Service number: 66
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/216 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Eccles Interchange to Eccles Interchange via Westwood Park
Service number: 65
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

PC0004417/219 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Boothstown to Media City
Service number: 29
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2022

Now that doesn't surprise me that they're coming off the Salford Work, that should release around 5 or 6 drivers which could be moved onto the newly acquired ex Stagecoach work (150 & X50)
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(02/05/2022 19:11)NorthernCounties Wrote:  When Selwyn's bought Haytons several years ago all tendered work was given up rather fast. Again after buying his company back from RAPT DEV he got rid of tenders again. Selwyn is definitely not a fan of service work and much happier on the coach side and school routes. Can't blame him,there can be a lot of headaches with tenders

Haytons gave all there tendered bus services to bluebird before selwyns bought them out...by memory they were 44..194..196 & 188 together with a motley collection of dennis darts none of which had any heating....so they fitted perfectly in the bluebird fleet
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