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RE: First Chester & Wirral - cumbria0902150 - 01/12/2012 17:18

Expected fleetnumbers for Chester & Wirral takeover:

SC Number First number Registration Depot Type
14162 39932 C814 BYY Chester Leyland Olympian
14163 39933 D183 FYM Chester Leyland Olympian
14165 39935 D235 FYM Chester Leyland Olympian
14166 39936 D158 FYM Chester Leyland Olympian
14168 39938 D238 FYM Chester Leyland Olympian
14169 39939 D251 FYM Chester Leyland Olympian
16197 34260 N536 LHG Chester Volvo Olympian
16233 30836 S656 FWY Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16234 30837 S657 FWY Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16235 30839 S659 FWY Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16236 30241 S657 NUG Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16237 30243 S659 NUG Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16238 30246 S662 NUG Birkenhead Volvo Olympian
16548 34058 P548 EFL Chester Volvo Olympian
16960 32453 YJ04 FZA Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16961 32454 YJ04 FZB Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16962 32455 YJ04 FZC Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16963 32456 YJ04 FZD Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16964 32457 YJ04 FZE Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16965 32458 YJ04 FZF Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
16966 32459 YJ04 FZG Birkenhead Volvo B7TL
21249 66701 YJ53 GXJ Chester Volvo B7RLE
21250 66702 YJ53 GXL Chester Volvo B7RLE
21251 66703 YJ53 GXM Chester Volvo B7RLE
21252 66704 YJ53 GXN Chester Volvo B7RLE
21253 66705 YJ53 GXO Chester Volvo B7RLE
21254 66706 YJ53 GXP Chester Volvo B7RLE
21255 66700 YJ53 HVO Chester Volvo B7RLE
21256 69309 YJ09 FWD Chester Volvo B7RLE
21257 69310 YJ09 FWE Chester Volvo B7RLE
21258 69311 YJ09 FWF Chester Volvo B7RLE
21259 69312 YJ09 FWG Chester Volvo B7RLE
21260 69313 YJ09 FWH Chester Volvo B7RLE
21261 69314 YJ09 FWK Chester Volvo B7RLE
21262 69486 DK09 GXW Chester Volvo B7RLE
21263 69487 DK09 GXX Chester Volvo B7RLE
21264 69488 DK09 GXY Chester Volvo B7RLE
21265 69489 DK09 GXZ Chester Volvo B7RLE
21266 69490 DK09 GYA Chester Volvo B7RLE
21267 69491 DK09 GYB Chester Volvo B7RLE
21268 69492 DK09 GYC Chester Volvo B7RLE
21269 69493 DK09 GYD Chester Volvo B7RLE
21270 69494 DK09 GYE Chester Volvo B7RLE
21271 69495 DK09 GYF Chester Volvo B7RLE
21272 69496 DK09 GYG Chester Volvo B7RLE
21273 69497 DK09 GYH Chester Volvo B7RLE
21274 69498 DK09 GYJ Chester Volvo B7RLE
21275 69499 DK09 GYN Chester Volvo B7RLE
28531 60118 S102 TNB Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28532 61138 S103 CSG Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28533 61139 S104 CSG Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28534 60014 S104 TNB Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28535 60119 S107 TNB Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28536 60216 T562 BSS Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28537 60169 T916 SSF Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28538 60190 V138 DND Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28539 60209 X265 USH Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28540 60210 X266 USH Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28541 60200 X271 USH Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28542 60207 Y961 XBU Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28543 60211 Y962 XBU Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28544 65707 YN04 GMG Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28545 65704 YN04 GNU Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28546 65734 YN05 WKC Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28547 65735 YN05 WKD Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28548 65736 YN05 WKE Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28549 65737 YN05 WKF Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28550 65738 YN05 WKG Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28551 65739 YN05 WKH Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28552 65740 YN05 WKJ Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28553 65741 YN05 WKK Birkenhead Scania L94UB
28976 61527 R115 GSF Chester Scania L113CRL
28977 61536 R125 GSF Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28978 61563 R343 SUT Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28979 60077 R440 ALS Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28980 60052 R810 NVT Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28981 60053 R811 NVT Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28982 60054 R812 NVT Chester Scania L113CRL
28983 60108 R874 ERE Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28984 60111 R877 ERE Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28985 60009 S347 MFP Chester Scania L113CRL
28986 60005 S351 MFP Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28987 60007 S354 MFP Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28988 60008 S355 MFP Chester Scania L113CRL
28989 60010 S358 MFP Chester Scania L113CRL
28990 60080 S443 BSG Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28991 61157 S682 BFS Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
28992 60055 S813 AEH Birkenhead Scania L113CRL
29880 60042 CX02 EGK Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29881 60041 CX02 EGJ Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29882 60032 CX02 ECC Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29883 60033 CX02 ECN Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29884 60034 CX02 ECT Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29885 60035 CX02 EFF Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29886 60036 CX02 EFG Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29887 60037 CX02 EGC Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29888 60038 CX02 EGD Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29889 60039 CX02 EGE Wrexham Bluebird AARE
29890 60040 CX02 EGF Wrexham Bluebird AARE
33340 40042 S765 RNE Birkenhead Dennis Dart SLF
33341 40670 S341 EWU Birkenhead Dennis Dart SLF
33408 41068 V368 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
33409 41069 V369 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
33410 41071 V371 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
33411 41072 V372 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
33412 41073 V373 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
33413 41074 V374 KLG Chester Dennis Dart SLF
47741 40182 V42 DTE Chester Optare Solo M850
47742 50280 W311 DWX Chester Optare Solo M850
47743 40309 X612 OBN Chester Optare Solo M850
47744 40310 X613 OBN Chester Optare Solo M850
47745 40311 X614 OBN Chester Optare Solo M850


20 brand new Enviro200's diverted to the area over the next few weeks, 6 for Chester and 14 for Rock Ferry, Christmas gets in the way of the full batch being delivered though. All of the Dart's transferred from Stagecoach Western to Manchester are expected to be moving to either Chester or Rock Ferry. B7RLE Wright Eclipse's 21236 and 21237 (66877 MX05 CKK and 66878 MX05 CKL) are expected to transfer to Chester from Wigan.
As yet I don't know what any of these will be replacing, I'd have thought the 2 Pointer Dart's and the Marshall Dart's would go, along with some Scania's, but we'll see nearer the time.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - R879 HRF - 01/12/2012 17:59

(01/12/2012 16:27)wirralbus Wrote:  34260 is only fit for one place being an L reg vehicle .

Except it isnt an L reg vehicle, its N reg!

Seems to be a few buses still in use missing off that list, i think its just a case of wait and see.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - First Class - 01/12/2012 18:49

Are Enviro200/Darts smaller than the buses they will (eventually) replace?

Stagecoach must surely be bringing new(er) double deckers to the Wirral, unless they intend to stop running the school services.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - mbonwick - 01/12/2012 19:03

I would imagine the Enviro200s will replace some Scanias and the darts, so yes they will be slightly smaller. I suspect however that ridership currently doesn't justify full size single decks anyway.

Why would Stagecoach need to bring in newer deckers to continue running the school services? the S regs are good for another year and I imagine the other 2 are just spares.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - cumbria0902150 - 01/12/2012 19:15

(01/12/2012 17:59)R874 ERE Wrote:  Seems to be a few buses still in use missing off that list, i think its just a case of wait and see.

Afraid I can't comment much on that, not being familiar with the First fleet, but I believe there's some Scania's that haven't been withdrawn yet but should be before the takeover, so aren't numbered in the Stagecoach scheme.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - First Class - 01/12/2012 19:25

(01/12/2012 19:03)mbonwick Wrote:  I would imagine the Enviro200s will replace some Scanias and the darts, so yes they will be slightly smaller. I suspect however that ridership currently doesn't justify full size single decks anyway.

Why would Stagecoach need to bring in newer deckers to continue running the school services? the S regs are good for another year and I imagine the other 2 are just spares.

Ridership doesn't justify full sized single deckers?

Have you ever been on the 1/2/41/42 !? Generally every seat is taken, although standing room is available. Less seats = more people having to stand = bus services less attractive.

I was on the Arriva 2 earlier and from Little Sutton to Hope Farm (via Ellesmere Port), the bus was full and standing, and this was only around 12:30pm.

If a Dart appears on the 1, there will be carnage, especially nearer Christmas/School Holidays at Cheshire Oaks.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - SNL 824 - 01/12/2012 21:49

likely 36 or 38 seaters replacing mainly 40 seaters, but you're right First Class- they need more seats rather than less. Last saturday I did notice some First workings on the 1 running into Birkenhead Bus Station in pairs. Not sure if this was planned dupes or just a messed up schedule.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - Metroline1511 - 01/12/2012 22:08

(25/11/2012 22:13)gilesbus1 Wrote:  I would say that the buses with the least secure future there are the batch of B7TL's as they where originally only temporary pending the sourcing of newer deckers after teh Olympic games, First was to have sent MX58 Gemini's from Manchester but obviously that willn not now happen so more than likely some standard Stagecoach Enviro Enviro400's with either E40D or Scania N230UD chassis will no doubt make their way here perhaps from diverted orders and the B7TL's go elsewhere perhaps to another fleet where they are needed or be used to displace Olympians here.

Gilesbus1

Fair comment, I had forgotten about the B7TLs being "loaned" from West Yorkshire.

I think any new double-decks from Stagecoach would be E40Ds rather than Scanias as they generally use E40Ds in more urban areas. This despite First having many Scanias (albeit single decks) in the area!


RE: First Chester & Wirral - SNL 824 - 01/12/2012 22:23

At this point, even though First may have originally intended sending newer deckers, they won't now -that's for sure. But the Geminis may well just migrate onto schools services and replace the Chester Olympians over the next year or so.


RE: First Chester & Wirral - PO62 MKA - 01/12/2012 22:25

(01/12/2012 22:23)SNL 824 Wrote:  At this point, even though First may have originally intended sending newer deckers, they won't now -that's for sure. But the Geminis may well just migrate onto schools services and replace the Chester Olympians over the next year or so.

They would make great open-toppers for the city sightseeing although with them being so new, I doubt that would happen.