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RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - SNL 824 - 20/10/2015 21:06

(20/10/2015 15:43)Penny Return Wrote:  Gold buses due to enter service on 9 November,plan is to swop old for new vechicles as they pass
the Depot

Wouldn't it just make sense to put them out from first service rather than inconvenience the customers!?


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - R879 HRF - 20/10/2015 21:21

(20/10/2015 21:06)SNL 824 Wrote:  Wouldn't it just make sense to put them out from first service rather than inconvenience the customers!?

Problem is there's no room in Rock Ferry for the new buses until the old ones go, rock ferry is full .

Iirc this is what they did with the L113s after the first sale, just swapped them over as and when.


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - Raawwwrrr! - 20/10/2015 21:25

(20/10/2015 21:06)SNL 824 Wrote:  Wouldn't it just make sense to put them out from first service rather than inconvenience the customers!?

And apart from the space saving initiative as Luke stated, It's also better as a marketing tool as you are more likely to remember how 'amazing' the new and improved service is compared to your usual experience on an older vehicle which lacks in the advancements of the newer buses. You are quite literally (and forcefully) stepping from the past and into the present of bus travel.


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - wirralbus - 20/10/2015 21:32

I get both sides of the argument .

Wouldn't passengers be aggrieved having to get off what will probably be a warm bus into the cold on to another bus hopefully that has got its heaters on as well.

Hopefully all the services will be changed over in the Chester direction


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - E400 - 20/10/2015 22:06

(20/10/2015 21:32)wirralbus Wrote:  I get both sides of the argument .

Wouldn't passengers be aggrieved having to get off what will probably be a warm bus into the cold on to another bus hopefully that has got its heaters on as well.

Hopefully all the services will be changed over in the Chester direction

Surely if they're all at Gillmoss it will make sense to run Chester into Liverpool, swap old for new in Liverpool and old go back to Gillmoss - seamless transition as there will be no passengers, and you're not having to pay for tolls for a new bus through to Wirral and an old bus back to Gillmoss.


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - wirralbus - 20/10/2015 22:11

(20/10/2015 22:06)Enviro400 Wrote:  Surely if they're all at Gillmoss it will make sense to run Chester into Liverpool, swap old for new in Liverpool and old go back to Gillmoss - seamless transition as there will be no passengers, and you're not having to pay for tolls for a new bus through to Wirral and an old bus back to Gillmoss.

But wouldn't Rock ferry want there ticket machines back from the old vehicles for one and two have you seen the amount of buses vying for space in Liverpool , particularly Dales Street and Sir Thomas Street.


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - Raawwwrrr! - 20/10/2015 22:21

(20/10/2015 22:06)Enviro400 Wrote:  Surely if they're all at Gillmoss it will make sense to run Chester into Liverpool, swap old for new in Liverpool and old go back to Gillmoss - seamless transition as there will be no passengers, and you're not having to pay for tolls for a new bus through to Wirral and an old bus back to Gillmoss.

Or you could just take a fastpass from one of the surplus buses that are in the depot such as on the pits or a non-cross river route like the 38 or 41, take a van to gilmoss (with the fastpass), bring a bus back (with the fastpass), take one to gilmoss (with the same fastpass) etc... until it's time to bring a van back (with the fastpass you started off with originally).


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - E400 - 20/10/2015 22:49

(20/10/2015 22:21)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  Or you could just take a fastpass from one of the surplus buses that are in the depot such as on the pits or a non-cross river route like the 38 or 41, take a van to Gillmoss (with the fastpass), bring a bus back (with the fastpass), take one to Gillmoss (with the same fastpass) etc... until it's time to bring a van back (with the fastpass you started off with originally).

Yes but you're still spending more money than necessary, in both tolls and fuel, when a straight out swap in Liverpool on Crosshall Street would be very straight forward; there is less dead mileage and the shuttle driver hands the new keys to the service driver who takes the new bus and hands the old keys back to the shuttle driver to take the old vehicle straight to Gillmoss. The new bus can wait on Crosshall Street in the layover bay and the exchange can happen on Whitechapel as the bus is emptying of passengers - that way there is no disruption to other services and no hogging of layover space with an additional bus.


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - R879 HRF - 21/10/2015 07:27

(20/10/2015 22:11)wirralbus Wrote:  But wouldn't Rock ferry want there ticket machines back from the old vehicles for one and two have you seen the amount of buses vying for space in Liverpool , particularly Dales Street and Sir Thomas Street.

The machines off the old buses would be swapped onto the new ones.

The problem with the swap in Liverpool so the old buses can be taken to gillmoss plan is that not all buses are going to gillmoss. The solars are staying for schools, so they'd need to be swapped in birkenhead


RE: Stagecoach Chester & Wirral - PO59 MXJ - 21/10/2015 18:34

(21/10/2015 07:27)R879 HRF Wrote:  The machines off the old buses would be swapped onto the new ones.

The problem with the swap in Liverpool so the old buses can be taken to gillmoss plan is that not all buses are going to gillmoss. The solars are staying for schools, so they'd need to be swapped in birkenhead

Are the Volvos going to Gillmoss?