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RE: First Transpennine Express - wirralbus - 05/08/2013 05:29
(04/08/2013 20:34)WidnesRuncornBus Wrote:(02/08/2013 10:54)wirralbus Wrote: You will probably find that the entire transpennine service will look completely different after electrification of the main service .
Shame, I quite like the way it was structured. I dont like it when operators mess around with there services and mess up routine to the extent FTPE are going to when its already working (to a extent). But I surpose its for the best.
May be a nice network now , but and here is the big but , I dont want to see Diesel's travelling for mile upon mile under overhead wire if most of the route is electrified . Diesel is a resource that should then only be used where the ultimate journey end is not wired up.
RE: First Transpennine Express - WidnesRuncornBus - 06/08/2013 11:06
(05/08/2013 05:29)wirralbus Wrote:I would also prefer not to see this happen.(04/08/2013 20:34)WidnesRuncornBus Wrote:(02/08/2013 10:54)wirralbus Wrote: You will probably find that the entire transpennine service will look completely different after electrification of the main service .
Shame, I quite like the way it was structured. I dont like it when operators mess around with there services and mess up routine to the extent FTPE are going to when its already working (to a extent). But I surpose its for the best.
May be a nice network now , but and here is the big but , I dont want to see Diesel's travelling for mile upon mile under overhead wire if most of the route is electrified . Diesel is a resource that should then only be used where the ultimate journey end is not wired up.
RE: First Transpennine Express - First Class - 09/08/2013 16:18
DfT plans to electrify Windermere branch.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/electric-route-for-lake-district
Bit of a surprise, but very worthwhile IMO.
Should get a good benefit:cost ratio.
RE: First Transpennine Express - wirralbus - 09/08/2013 17:24
(09/08/2013 16:18)First Class Wrote: DfT plans to electrify Windermere branch.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/electric-route-for-lake-district
Bit of a surprise, but very worthwhile IMO.
Should get a good benefit:cost ratio.
Will this be with the existing track and signalling or will a loop be introduced to produce some flexibility on the branch line
RE: First Transpennine Express - First Class - 09/08/2013 17:43
(09/08/2013 17:24)wirralbus Wrote:(09/08/2013 16:18)First Class Wrote: DfT plans to electrify Windermere branch.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/electric-route-for-lake-district
Bit of a surprise, but very worthwhile IMO.
Should get a good benefit:cost ratio.
Will this be with the existing track and signalling or will a loop be introduced to produce some flexibility on the branch line
For £16m, I would say just electrification for now, cost seems a little high for 10 miles though, so possibly line speed enhancements connected with level crossing upgrades.
You could do a few things like extend the platform at Windermere to accommodate longer trains, (Pendolinos/Charters etc). A Summer only daily London-Windermere service would be popular IMO, (divert one of the Lancaster terminators).
If Windermere is planned, I assume Barrow-in-Furness must be getting considered too.
RE: First Transpennine Express - wirralbus - 09/08/2013 18:30
Barrow will be a bit more costly though , there has to be a benefit because it is a much longer line to electrify .
Arent they supposed to be operating the Blackpool and Barrow trains together in the interim .
RE: First Transpennine Express - WidnesRuncornBus - 11/08/2013 08:31
(09/08/2013 18:30)wirralbus Wrote: Barrow will be a bit more costly though , there has to be a benefit because it is a much longer line to electrify .
Arent they supposed to be operating the Blackpool and Barrow trains together in the interim .
Yes, I believe so.
I would love to see a once daily London-Windermere service. I dont use this line loads but it would be nice to have.
RE: First Transpennine Express - First Class - 11/08/2013 14:53
(11/08/2013 08:31)WidnesRuncornBus Wrote:(09/08/2013 18:30)wirralbus Wrote: Barrow will be a bit more costly though , there has to be a benefit because it is a much longer line to electrify .
Arent they supposed to be operating the Blackpool and Barrow trains together in the interim .
Yes, I believe so.
I would love to see a once daily London-Windermere service. I dont use this line loads but it would be nice to have.
With electrification taking place around Merseyside, I would greatly prefer an electric Liverpool-Windermere via St Helens Ctl service, replacing the Liverpool-Blackpool route. Would give Liverpool good connections to Lancaster and Oxenholme.
Possible portion working, 1 portion Windermere, 1 portion could attach to an ex-Manchester Scottish service.
RE: First Transpennine Express - St Helens Rider - 11/08/2013 17:13
I think there is too much demand for Liverpool -:Blackpool rather than Windermere although pearhaps if every alternate hour either Blackpool or Windermere was served might work as per the previous situation which was a Morecombe/Blackpool split.
RE: First Transpennine Express - wirralbus - 11/08/2013 19:07
(11/08/2013 17:13)St Helens Rider Wrote: I think there is too much demand for Liverpool -:Blackpool rather than Windermere although pearhaps if every alternate hour either Blackpool or Windermere was served might work as per the previous situation which was a Morecombe/Blackpool split.
Think the problem maybe the extra units it would require in Liverpool .
Taking an Emu to Windermere rather Blackpool North may cost more time and more units , it would have to be looked at more closely .
One problem is Liverpool - Blackpool is Northern at this moment , Windermere is provided by TPX so there would have to be a trade off , if the DfT don't combine the franchises .