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RE: Route History - Walton 46 - 13/01/2020 22:30
(13/01/2020 20:51)MTL0201 Wrote: 81 dates back to F34 Liscard-Park Station via West Kirby, in 1979 the PTE in agreement with Crosville split the F34, to 81/82 West Kirby Woodside operated by Crosville, whilst the Liscard section becamew 7/8 New Brighton-Newton, operated by PTE
F37/F38/F39 Park Station-West Kirby/Newton was replaced by extending the PTE 28 to operate Mill Park-West Kirby
81 operated via current 437 to Conway Street & to Woodside, whilst 82 went via Column Road, & Grange Cross Lane to Newton, also went via current 38/38A Claughton-Conway Street
In 1985 7/8/81/82 was withdrawn & replaced by 37/37A/38/39, 38/39 circle services replacing 28 which was cut to Moreton Bermuda Road renumbered 40, PTE operating the 37/37A Crosville operated some 37/37A journey's, Crosville operated the 38/39
37 replaced the 7/8/81 operating New Brighton-Woodside via West Kirby, Crosville operated some 37
38/39 replaced the 82 Woodside West Kirby Circular, 37A, 37A was an evening & Sunday route via 38/39
At d-reg Merseybus took over the 37/38/39, think the 37A was withdrawn at d-reg, however 38/39 didn't last long
Late 80s short lived Merseybus/Crosville bus war, Crosville started a 37A West Kirby-Liverpool, don't think Merseybus responded with the 437 until an agreement to end the bus war, Merseybus pulled out of the 41/70/70A, Crosville pulled out of the 37A, but Merseybus introduced the 437 as replacement
Interesting. Was this bus war the reason why 87/88 from Neston and Parkgate ended up transferring from Crosville to Merseybus as well?
RE: Route History - MTL0201 - 14/01/2020 03:57
(13/01/2020 22:30)Walton 46 Wrote: Interesting. Was this bus war the reason why 87/88 from Neston and Parkgate ended up transferring from Crosville to Merseybus as well?
Not sure, but at d-reg a couple of 88 journeys were numbered 88B & extended to Liverpool.
RE: Route History - Walton 46 - 15/01/2020 13:24
Question about the 22 (West Kirby-Chester). I'm aware in recent times, the route alternated between Stagecoach and Avon Buses. However, around 2006, the route was operated by Arriva and numbered 421/422 (421 via Burton, 422 via Willaston). Any ideas how long Arriva were on the route for?
RE: Route History - MTL0201 - 15/01/2020 16:05
Arriva took over the 22/23 from First group, think 2004, renumbered it 421/422 to fit in with the other Arriva Wirral route numbers but only operated the 421/422 for a couple of years, not sure when arriva withdrew the 421/422, Arriva operated the 421/422 from Chester depot, so you had the weird sight of Arriva Wales buses in West Kirby & Heswall.
22/23 was traditionally Crosville route C22/C23, operated by Chester & West Kirby depots, think Heswall depot had some journey's too, Crosville dropped the C, in the 90s to be come 22/23, the C22/C23 later 22/23 operated Chester-Meols, using the back roads by the Railway Inn to turn around
RE: Route History - MTL0201 - 15/01/2020 20:49
More info on the Crosville 87/88 in summer 88, Merseybus extended the 10/10A to Parkgate, & Merseybus introduces the 488,
Crosville C10 original New Brighton-Stanney Grange, which lead Merseybus to start a 66 Clatterbridge-Stanney Grange covering the southern part of the C10, the C10 was cut New Brighton-Rock Ferry & withdrawn in 1991, the 66 didn't last long either
C6 was Ellesmere Port-Liverpool covering most of the 151 which Gold Star had won the tender for, but the C6 only lasted 2 months
RE: Route History - MTL0201 - 19/01/2020 01:08
Looking at the 102 Aintree University Hospital-Broadgreen Hospital or Page Moss timetable, that's had some changes over the years, originally Broadgreen-Broadway via Croxteth, i'm sure the 102 was extended to Walton Cavendish Drive, then CMT extended it to Central Bus Station, CMT operated the 102 commercially too.
RE: Route History - St Helens Rider - 19/01/2020 08:50
(19/01/2020 01:08)MTL0201 Wrote: Looking at the 102 Aintree University Hospital-Broadgreen Hospital or Page Moss timetable, that's had some changes over the years, originally Broadgreen-Broadway via Croxteth, i'm sure the 102 was extended to Walton Cavendish Drive, then CMT extended it to Central Bus Station, CMT operated the 102 commercially too.
It's also had many operators over the years including Halton, JC Mini's, Arena and Merseyrider.
RE: Route History - wirralbus - 25/01/2020 21:17
(13/01/2020 22:30)Walton 46 Wrote: Interesting. Was this bus war the reason why 87/88 from Neston and Parkgate ended up transferring from Crosville to Merseybus as well?
Think in the 1980's this was the time when Crosville had depots at Heswall and West kirby.
Think West kirby was closed first but then reopened when Heswall closed , then not long after West Kirby closed again this time for good.
It maybe that Rock ferry didnt have much room after the transfer of all the work at heswall for 71 and 72 , im not sure whether there was any Barnston work still at heswall and they still had the 177/178.
Think the neston work was marginal beyond Clatterbridge Hospital , dont forget the 488 operated via Mount Road not the route they do these days and at that time merseybus was looking at routes beyond there standard area of merseyside. These days it wouldnt surprise me if Arriva would like to get rid of the 487 now as this is the only work at Laird street south of a line from Clatterbridge Hospital to New Ferry.
RE: Route History - wirralbus - 25/01/2020 21:21
I wonder which Merseytravel contract had the most amount of operators ?
I also wonder which Merseytravel contract route had the least amount of operator changes. Im wondering whether it was the 129 Seaview Road to Frankby Cemetery service. There must be some history to that route.
RE: Route History - MTL0201 - 26/01/2020 13:51
Old C22/C23 Meols-West Kirby-Chester definitely a contender, this route had 5 operators all under tender on one timetable in the late 80s, Crosville/Crosville Wales/Arrowbrook/Mathews Coaches/PMT Red Rider, think Lofty's might have had some contract journeys at one time too.