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RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - St Helens Rider - 02/05/2020 07:11
The main route though was the 264 which ran through to Victoria (baring in mind this is pre-Metrolink days when there was no real direct link to Victoria from Altrincham).
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Metroline1511 - 02/05/2020 15:24
Thank you Mike & St Helens Rider for your info about routes 263 & 264.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Mikeonthebuses - 02/05/2020 16:20
(02/05/2020 15:24)Metroline1511 Wrote: Thank you Mike & St Helens Rider for your info about routes 263 & 264.
No problems Metroline anytime, the next series of routes is purely chilling 95% of the routes have been severely cut or changed and with about 50% of the original service area not replaced you might have guessed it, the Next Series of Numbers is 300 - 399.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Mikeonthebuses - 02/05/2020 17:12
Once again if you see something wrong with these comprassions list please let me know so I can fix the errors.
Today we explore the 300 - 399 series which took passengers all around Tameside and Stockport, it even taken them on scenic rambles out towards Derbyshire and beyond. They connected the mazes off estates and linked the commuter routes together. they took people to hospitals for visiting and appointments.
Today the network is looking more like a preschool has designed it and you will be very lucky to have scenic ramble of some of the former scenic rambles routes and the local estates around Stockport and Tameside now have rabbit warren of Fresh air routes and no decent terminal points.
Which routes would you like to see back and do you agree that Deregulation has had bad impact on Stockport and Tameside Alone after comparing both networks
300 | Wilmslow - Wythenshawe Hospital via Airport | Partly Replaced by 312, 368
301 | Stockport - Bredbury via Carrington Road | Partly Replaced by 382
304 | Wigan - Lower Adlington via Charnock Heath |
305 | Stockport - Stepping Hill Hospital via Hempshaw Ln | Partly Replaced by 314, 358, 383/384, 373
306 | Stockport - Offerton Estate via Hempshaw Ln | Partly Replaced by 314, 358, 383/384. 375, 314
307 | Stockport Circular via Bramhall | Partly Replaced by 11a, 307, 310, 313, 307, 192
308 | Stockport Circular via Bramhall | Partly Replaced by 192, 307, 313, 310, 307, 11A
309 | Stockport Circular via Heald Green | Partly Replaced by 309, 374, 313, 312
310 | Wythenshawe Hospital - Ashton via Stockport | Partly Replaced by 11 327, 347
312 | Chorley Circular via Adlington
320 | Wigan - Liverpool Mann Island via St Helens | Curtailed at St Helens
323 | Brinnington - Reddish via North Way |
324 | Stockport - Romiley via Woodley | Partly Replaced by 327, 330, 382, 383, 384
325 | Stockport Circular via Brinnington North Way | Unchanged
326 | Brinnington - Stepping Hill Hospital via Romiley | Partly Replaced by 325, 327, 383/384, 375
326 | Wigan Circular via Roby Mill | Partly Replaced by 375, 3A,
327 | Bramhall North Park - Bridge Hall Estate via Edgeley | Partly Replaced by 372, 328,
327 | Chorley Circular via Apply Bridge
328 | Bridge Hall Estate - Bramhall North Park via Edgeley | Partly Replaced by 327, 372
329 | Stockport - Hattersley via Hyde | Partly Replaced by 330, 201
330 | Stockport - Ashton via Hyde | Unchanged
331 | Ashton Circular via Smallshaw | Partly Replaced by 336, 231
332 | Ashton Circular via Hartshead | Partly Replaced by 336, 396, 231,
333 | Ashton Circular via Smallshaw | Partly Replaced by 231, 337
334 | Ashton Circular via Hartshead | Partly Replaced by 231, 396, 337
339 | Ashton Circular via Dukinfield | Partly Replaced by 330, 221, 389, 41
340 | Ashton Circular via Dukinfield | Partly Replaced by 41, 389, 221, 330
341 | Ashton - Uppermill via Mossley | Partly Replaced by 357, 350
342 | Ashton - Uppermill via Stamford Old Rd | Partly Replaced by 357, 350
342 | Wigan - St Helens via Billinge |
343 | Gee Cross - Oldham via Hyde | Partly Replaced by 344, 343, 84
344 | Hyde - Carrbrook via Newton | Fully Replaced by 343
346 | Ashton - Hyde via Dukinfield | Unchanged
347 | Ashton - Haughton Green via Guide Road | Unchanged
348 | Ashton - Haughton Green via Opposite Loop | Merged with 347
349 | Dane Bank - Haughton Green via Denton | Partly Replaced by 205, 345, 347
350 | Ashton - Hey Farm via Mossley | Extended to Oldham via Saddleworth
351 | Ashton - Carrbrook via Copley Estate | Partly Replaced by 348, 343, 348
352 | Wigan - St Helens via Orrell |
352 | Ashton - Denshaw via Saddleworth | Partly Replaced by 350, 356, 350, 356
353 | Ashton - Uppermill via Mossley | Partly Replaced by 356
354 | Ashton - Uppermill via Friezland | Partly Replaced by 356
355 | Ashton - Oldham via Scouthead | Partly Replaced by 356, 350
356 | Marple Circular via New Mills | Partly Replaced by 358, 61, 199, 394
357 | Marple Circular via New Mills | Partly Replaced by 394, 199, 61, 358
358 | Stockport - Hayfield via Strines | Unchanged
359 | Stockport - Hawk Green via Marple | Replaced by the 375
360 | Stockport - Glossop via New Mills |
362 | Stockport - Glossop via Watford Bridge |
362 | Wigan - St Helens via Orrel | Present Day 352
363 | Stockport - Hayfield via Mellor | Partly Replaced by 375
365 | Stockport - Bosden Farm via Torkington | Partly Replaced by 360, 375, 364
365 | Huddersfield - Oldham via Uppermill | Fully Replaced by 84/184
367 | Hazel Grove Stn - Bosden Farm via Torkington | Partly Replaced by 373, 375, 364
368 | Reddish - Altrincham via Wythenshawe | Partly Replaced by 42A, 329, 368, 11
370 | Stockport - Altrincham via Northenden | Partly Replaced by 23, 41, 11A, 19, 11A
371 | Stockport - Altrincham via Cheadle | Partly Replaced by 11, 272, 11A
372 | Stockport - Cheadle via Cheadle Heath | Partly Replaced by 11, 307/308, 312, 309/310
375 | Stockport - Hazel Grove Stn via Crossway | Partly Replaced by 372, 374
376 | Reddish Fir Tree - Woodford via Bramhall | Partly Replaced by 329, 378, 42B
377 | Reddish Fir Tree - Wilmslow via Handforth | Partly Replaced by 329, 378, 313 [Wilmslow is no Longer served]
378 | Reddish Bulls Head - Wilmslow via Lacey Green | Partly Replaced by 329, 378, 313 [Wilmslow is no Longer Served]
379 | Stockport - Adswood Game Bird via Stanley Road | Partly Replaced by 313, 312, 307/308, 309/310
380 | Stockport - Schools Hill via Adswood | Partly Replaced by 309/310, 307/308, 312
383 | Stockport Circular via Marple | Partly Replaced by 375, 383
384 | Stockport Circular via Marple | Partly Replaced by 384, 375
385 | Wigan - Southport via Hall Green |
385 | Reddish - Romiley Gothic Farm via Stockport | Partly Replaced by 203, 383/384, 382
386 | Reddish - Greave via Harrytown | Partly Replaced by 203, 383/384, 382
388 | Ashton - Marple via Ridge Hill | Partly Replaced by 389, 346, 344, 330, 383/384
389 | Ashton - Marple via Ridge Hill | Partly Replaced by 389, 346, 344, 330, 383/384
390 | Hyde - Mottram via Walker Fold | Abandoned?
391 | Glossop - Padfield via Hadfield |
394 | Simmondley - Hazel Grove Stn via Chisworth | Partly Replaced by 341, 394, 374
398 | Glossop - Macclesfield Hospital |
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - St Helens Rider - 02/05/2020 18:15
The 362 is the present 352. Interesting history with these routes over the years. They were extended to Chorley, then Preston, then reduced back to Chorley before Arriva split and simplifies them to the present day arrangement.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Mikeonthebuses - 02/05/2020 18:25
(02/05/2020 18:15)St Helens Rider Wrote: The 362 is the present 352. Interesting history with these routes over the years. They were extended to Chorley, then Preston, then reduced back to Chorley before Arriva split and simplifies them to the present day arrangement.
Thank St Helens Rider, I hope you enjoying theses comprassions I'm doing and Where I leave the modern day replacement blank if because they are cross boundary routes and I'm not familiar with them.
I will be taking a little break with theses and the next ones might be released next weekend as we move into 400-499 series of routes.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Mikeonthebuses - 08/05/2020 09:03
Today will be exploring the 400 - 499 series of routes that GM Buses Introduced on 26th October 1986 and will be comparing the network against the network that is currently operating as of April 2020.
We discover that this series of routes have pretty much been torn apart since it was first it introduced on 26th October 1986, we found the core problems as to why bus travel is falling in North Manchester due to excessive cuts and changes to the services that once resident could get direct service might now have to get several services to their final destination and we discover that we have had at least 6 routes completely abandoned and a few routes merged together.
As with all theses routes series comprassions I have posted which routes do you miss and do you fully believe that when regulation of bus services happen again do you think TFGM should be restoring the 1986 routes to simplify the network or does the network need a complete rewrite when TFGM regalate the buses again.
400 | Bolton - Stockport via Oldham | Partly Replaced by 471, 409, 347, 206, 203
401 | Wigan - Oldham via Middleton | Partly Replaced by 7, 559, 7, 471, 163, 59
402 | Warrington - Bolton via Leigh | Partly Replaced by 22/360, 34, 582
403 | Bolton - Leeds via Rochdale |
404 | Sholver - Middleton via Chadderton Hall | Partly Replaced by 82/83, 402. 149, 59
405 | Sholver - Limeside Lime Green Road via Chapel Road | Partly Replaced by 82/83, 183, 149, 76, 183
406 | Sholver - Limeside Lime Green Road via Elm Rd | Partly Replaced by 82/83, 183
408 | Stalybridge - Oldham via Hurst | Partly Replaced by 348, 231, 425
409 | Rochdale - Ashton via Oldham | Unchanged
410 | Turks Head - Ashton via Oldham | Merged with 409
411 | Shaw - Oldham via Buckstones | Fully replaced by 408
412 | Derker - Middleton via Royton | Partly Replaced by 402, 59
415 | Oldham - Middleton via Alkrington | Unchanged
419 | Woodhouses - Failsworth via Pole Lane | Partly Replaced by 159, 83, 159
421 | Moston - Fitton Hill via Werneth | Partly Replaced by 81, 415, 426
422 | Oldham - South Chadderton via Chamber Rd | Partly replaced by 183, 149, 81 (The Long Ln to Butterworth Lane loop have been severed by the M60 Construction.
425 | Holts Estate Course View - Oldham via Park Road Loop | Partly replaced by 425
426 | Holts Estate Course View - Oldham via Glodwick Loop | Partly Replaced by 425
427 | Hollinwood - Diggle via Uppermill | Partly Replaced by 84, 350, 356,
428 | Ashton - Moston Ferranti Works via Garden Suburbs | Partly Replaced by 409, 396, 84, 181
431 | Rochdale Circular via Deeplish | Partly Replaced by 6, R7, 17
432 | Rochdale - Sudden via Ashfield Valley | Abandoned
433 | Rochdale Circular via Turf Hill | Partly Replaced by R7, 409 (Deeplish is no longer served)
434 | Rochdale Circular via Turf Hill | Partly Replaced by 409, R7 (Deeplish is no longer served)
435 | Rochdale - Buckstones via High Crompton | Unchanged
436 | Rochdale Circular via Kirkholt | Partly Replaced by 6, R7, 17
437 | Rochdale Circular via Kirkholt | Partly Replaced by 17, R7, 6
438 | Rochdale - Daniel Fold via Spotland | Partly Replaced by 467 (Daniel Fold no longer served)
439 | Rochdale Stn - Lane Head | Abandoned
440 | Rochdale Stn - Syke Chapel via Fieldhouse Mill | Partly Replaced by 471, R13, R1
443 | Rochdale - Castleton Chesham Drive | Abandoned
447 | Rochdale - Wallbank via Healey | Fully replaced by R13
449 | Rochdale - Wardle via Low Hill | Fully replaced by 456
450 | Rochdale - Littleborough via Hollingworth Lake | Partly Replaced by 457, 458, 457
451 | Rochdale - Peppermint bridge via Milnrow | Partly Replaced by 58. R5
452 | Rochdale - Littleborough Clough Road | Abandoned
453 | Hollingworth Lake - Wardle via Birch Hill | Partly Replaced by 458. 456
454 | Rochdale - Shore va Littleborough | Fully Replaced by 588
456 | Milnrow - Littleborough via Rochdale | Abandoned
457 | Rochdale - Stansfield via Shore | Fully Replaced by 588
464 | Rochdale - Accrington via Bacup | Unchanged
465 | Rochdale - Bacup via Whitworth | Merged with 464
466 | Rochdale - Rawtenstall via Mettlecote | Merged with 464
468 | Hopwood - Darn Hill via Heywood | Partly Replaced by B4, R2, 163
470 | Bury - Rochdale via Darn Hill | Partly Replaced by 163, 471
471 | Bury - Rochdale via Bury New Rd | Extended to Bolton
472 | Bury - Rawtenstall via Walmersley |
473 | Bury - Nangreaves via Walmersley | Partly Replaced by B2
474 | Bury - Edenfield via Holcombe Brook | Partly Replaced by 474, 273
475 | Bury - Tottington via Greenmount | Abandoned
476 | Bury - Edenfield via Greenmount | Partly Replaced by B1, 273
477 | Bury - Holcombe Village via Summerseat | Partly Replaced by B1
478 | Bury - Topping Folds via Bell Lane | Partly Replaced by 467, B4
479 | Rochdale - Tottington via Bury | Partly Replaced by 468, 469
480 | Bury - Walves via Tottington Road | Partly Replaced by 469, TA2
481 | Bury - Shuttleworth via Tottington | Partly Replaced by 480, 273, x41
482 | Bury - Edenfield via Holcombe Brook | Partly Replaced by 472/474, 273
484 | Tottington - Eccles via Radcliffe | Partly Replaced by 480, 511, 91, 512, 513, 95, 484
492 | Bury - Chesham | Partly Replaced by B2
497 | Whitefield - Kersal Bar via Prestwich | Partly Replaced by 135, 95, 97, 135, 94, 90, 94, 484, 96
498 | Bury - Simister via Unsworth | Partly Replaced by 92, 97, 484, 92, 484, 135, 94, 90
499 | Bury - Hornby Street | Abandoned
I’m nearing the end of this comprassions as I only got 500-599 | 600-699 | Misc Routes | Letters Routes to do then after that all been done I love to go further back in time to compare the Selnec Network to today's network and The last day of GMPTE Network before it become GM Buses but I haven’t got the materials to do that so I was wondering if anyone has any guides, knowledge or websites where I can get SELNEC routes and GMPTE Routes which operated on the last day before deregulation so I can compare them to the modern day network. It would be very appreciated.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - St Helens Rider - 08/05/2020 09:10
The 402 is part replaced by the 582, 34, 360/22 although none of these routes are Express these days. A link of this nature could work now if the will was there as it appears to be a very useful link.
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - Mikeonthebuses - 08/05/2020 09:25
(08/05/2020 09:10)St Helens Rider Wrote: The 402 is part replaced by the 582, 34, 360/22 although none of these routes are Express these days. A link of this nature could work now if the will was there as it appears to be a very useful link.
Yes I totally agree with you that it would be good to reintroduce this service and it could be operated by Warrington Buses to provide some buses for the 715 tender they gained
RE: Greater Manchester Buses on Dereg Day 1986 vs Apr 2020 Network - SLTRegular - 15/05/2020 03:24
What about the 372 St Helens-Wigan via Tontine?