(09/10/2018 17:41)darylyates17 Wrote: [ -> ]I cant see Arriva going bust with them being one of 'the Big Five' bus firms I think DB would most likely sell off their UK businesses if they aren't happy with whatever Brexit outcome happens.
If DB do sell Arriva, they might sell it as a whole or split it if nobody is interested in buying the lot. It might give some of the smaller groups a chance to expand in certain areas if Arriva were split.
(09/10/2018 17:41)darylyates17 Wrote: [ -> ]I cant see Arriva going bust with them being one of 'the Big Five' bus firms I think DB would most likely sell off their UK businesses if they aren't happy with whatever Brexit outcome happens.
But who would be able to buy it? In our area, the "competition people" who not allow Stagecoach to buy everything -- maybe one depot, perhaps.
First have been tending to reduce some of their bus operations.
Transdev seem to largely avoid "big city" operations.
Rotala - are they big enough to afford all of the Arriva bus operations ?
Go Ahead ??
Anyone else ??
And in any case, potential buyers will want to see if/how the city region mayors want to control / franchise bus operations in their areas.
Management buyouts..... The management know which routes work already, if they all put their money together, management buyouts could work. Obviously Stagecoach and Rolta would try and grab what they can but the rest could work locally. Julian Peddle has shares in Arriva so he would probably try and grab bits for his companies.
Don't think we would see a management buyout, they would just get swamped by the bigger boys in no time at all on commercial routes.
If there was ever a sell up then Rotala would most probs go for the likes of wythenshawe or bolton as that size of garage would fit into there operations.
The merseyside depots would need big operators to buy them as they wouldn't be sold off cheap due to the revenue they produce so stagecoach most probs would beable to take 1 or 2 which would most probably be st helens and speke then the other depots maybe go-ahead as they where intrested in GTL when they sold up.
Runcorn would suit the parent company of selwyns.
The likes of winsford,Macclesfield and chester probs D+G.
The welsh operations would suit stagecoach.
Operations else where then possibly transdev would look at some and maybe stagecoach.
London ops i think there would be big intrest in that.
(10/10/2018 07:11)motormayhem1 Wrote: [ -> ]If there was ever a sell up then Rotala would most probs go for the likes of wythenshawe or bolton as that size of garage would fit into there operations.
The merseyside depots would need big operators to buy them as they wouldn't be sold off cheap due to the revenue they produce so stagecoach most probs would beable to take 1 or 2 which would most probably be st helens and speke then the other depots maybe go-ahead as they where intrested in GTL when they sold up.
Runcorn would suit the parent company of selwyns.
The likes of winsford,Macclesfield and chester probs D+G.
The welsh operations would suit stagecoach.
Operations else where then possibly transdev would look at some and maybe stagecoach.
London ops i think there would be big intrest in that.
This is all speculation and very hypothetical as there is no suggestion that Arriva is planning to sell its UK bus operations which, incidentally, are very lucrative. All we we do know is that there is a moratorium on fleet replacement within the UK.
Until the Brexit chaos is resolved you may as well cast runes if you wish to plan for the future, whether you run a bus company, manufacture cars or pick apples.
Getting a bit off topic here? The original comment was only made regarding the decker shortage and requirement at LS.
2953 on 418 presumably on loan from Runcorn.
2531 and 2491 also here out on 83A.
(10/10/2018 16:51)N304CLV Wrote: [ -> ]2953 on 418 presumably on loan from Runcorn.
2531 and 2491 also here out on 83A.
2953 was swapped for a Commander. I believe another swap is to take place soon
(10/10/2018 17:13)Y474 KNF Wrote: [ -> ]2953 was swapped for a Commander. I believe another swap is to take place soon
I read something saying that Runcorn are getting some Commanders from Birkenhead