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Have been informed these are permanent transfers, rather than loans. More believed to be on the way.

Any idea what is happening with 3077 and 4804 please? Obvious bustimes precautions but neither have tracked for nearly three months and I'm not sure if I've seen either during that timeframe.

3077 is off for MOT Prep, 4804 I think is on the Road

(20/12/2023 19:43)NathanR Wrote: [ -> ]Any idea what is happening with 3077 and 4804 please? Obvious bustimes precautions but neither have tracked for nearly three months and I'm not sure if I've seen either during that timeframe.

3077 is out today on 26/27.

(18/12/2023 12:52)CUL 73V Wrote: [ -> ]Have been informed these are permanent transfers, rather than loans. More believed to be on the way.

Usual precautions with tracking and Bustimes but 4821 looks to have moved back to Speke, 4820 hasn't been out for a while so I'm not sure if that's gone back as well.

(14/01/2024 17:47)NathanR Wrote: [ -> ]Usual precautions with tracking and Bustimes but 4821 looks to have moved back to Speke, 4820 hasn't been out for a while so I'm not sure if that's gone back as well.

They have, clearly a long loan rather than the permanent transfers I was told they were. Apologies for that.

P&P of the Enviro400s is now complete with the return of 4679, still no idea when it'll start for the hybrids. Soon, I hope.

(14/01/2024 19:04)CUL 73V Wrote: [ -> ]They have, clearly a long loan rather than the permanent transfers I was told they were. Apologies for that.

P&P of the Enviro400s is now complete with the return of 4679, still no idea when it'll start for the hybrids. Soon, I hope.

Bootles 4648 still needs to be P&P so suspect that will go first then the hybrids will get done.

(14/01/2024 20:07)Y458 KNF Wrote: [ -> ]Bootles 4648 still needs to be P&P so suspect that will go first then the hybrids will get done.

If you really think about it though, there's 2 things that conflict it

1. 4648 is a Bootle bus and Bootle don't have B5LHs

2. They'll be getting repainted next year with the franchising anyway so is there really any point?

(15/01/2024 00:14)North West Bus Spotter Wrote: [ -> ]They'll be getting repainted next year with the franchising anyway so is there really any point?

You’re wrongly assuming that Arriva will win contracts to operate services. There’s absolutely no guarantee on that and all depends on what operators bid for which areas, and successfully obtain the franchise.

Hypothetically, although unlikely, Arriva might not win anything and you could see operators like Stagecoach, Go-Ahead or even first group taking large chunks of operations.

Any idea what is going on with 4663 please? Noticed whilst looking at an image on Flickr from January that it has an NFS stuck to the windscreen, and according to bustimes (and it's usual precautions regarding accuracy) it's not tracked since the 4th of that month.