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(21/10/2012 22:32)DVL418 Wrote: [ -> ]I read Gideon tried to sneak into 1st class with a standard class ticket on a Virgin train to London on Friday and the train manager had the courage to face him down.

Gideon, like royalty and toffs doesn't carry cash or credit/debit cards, so one of his flunkies had to pay up.

Bob Crow will be proud of his comrade!

Just wonder if this had been Gordon Brown or Alistair Darling would it have been the same .

(21/10/2012 22:36)wirralbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(21/10/2012 22:32)DVL418 Wrote: [ -> ]I read Gideon tried to sneak into 1st class with a standard class ticket on a Virgin train to London on Friday and the train manager had the courage to face him down.

Gideon, like royalty and toffs doesn't carry cash or credit/debit cards, so one of his flunkies had to pay up.

Bob Crow will be proud of his comrade!

Just wonder if this had been Gordon Brown or Alistair Darling would it have been the same .

Your point?

Don't forget that rules introduced in around 2009 specify that MP's traveling to/from constituency (Gideon was travelling back to London from Wilmslow in this Tatton consituency) only get re-imbursed for second class travel. If they want to travel 1st class , they pay for the upgrade out of own pocket. Also pay for any political flunkies' travel costs from own allowance.

If travelling in connection with ministerial, duty special branch do risk assesment - Virgin West Coast is deemed as 'low risk' whilst most suburban railways a understandably deemed to be higher risk, so rarely passed as appropriate for high profile ministers, although Vince Cable insists on using South West Trains to travel into Westminster from his Twickenham constituency each day.

(22/10/2012 09:41)DVL418 Wrote: [ -> ]

(21/10/2012 22:36)wirralbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(21/10/2012 22:32)DVL418 Wrote: [ -> ]I read Gideon tried to sneak into 1st class with a standard class ticket on a Virgin train to London on Friday and the train manager had the courage to face him down.

Gideon, like royalty and toffs doesn't carry cash or credit/debit cards, so one of his flunkies had to pay up.

Bob Crow will be proud of his comrade!

Just wonder if this had been Gordon Brown or Alistair Darling would it have been the same .

Your point?

Don't forget that rules introduced in around 2009 specify that MP's traveling to/from constituency (Gideon was travelling back to London from Wilmslow in this Tatton consituency) only get re-imbursed for second class travel. If they want to travel 1st class , they pay for the upgrade out of own pocket. Also pay for any political flunkies' travel costs from own allowance.

If travelling in connection with ministerial, duty special branch do risk assesment - Virgin West Coast is deemed as 'low risk' whilst most suburban railways a understandably deemed to be higher risk, so rarely passed as appropriate for high profile ministers, although Vince Cable insists on using South West Trains to travel into Westminster from his Twickenham constituency each day.

Virgin Standard class i would also call high risk , First Class though would reasonably be deemed low risk .

(22/10/2012 10:16)wirralbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(22/10/2012 09:41)DVL418 Wrote: [ -> ]

(21/10/2012 22:36)wirralbus Wrote: [ -> ]Just wonder if this had been Gordon Brown or Alistair Darling would it have been the same .

Your point?

Don't forget that rules introduced in around 2009 specify that MP's traveling to/from constituency (Gideon was travelling back to London from Wilmslow in this Tatton consituency) only get re-imbursed for second class travel. If they want to travel 1st class , they pay for the upgrade out of own pocket. Also pay for any political flunkies' travel costs from own allowance.

If travelling in connection with ministerial, duty special branch do risk assesment - Virgin West Coast is deemed as 'low risk' whilst most suburban railways a understandably deemed to be higher risk, so rarely passed as appropriate for high profile ministers, although Vince Cable insists on using South West Trains to travel into Westminster from his Twickenham constituency each day.

Virgin Standard class i would also call high risk , First Class though would reasonably be deemed low risk .

Tell Special Branch that then as they include issues such as access points onto the station and onto the train, number of stops etc amongst the risk assesment criteria - not just the presence of the odd anti-social idiot(s) that on train plain clothes SB personel can deal with.

I spoke to a plod that spent some time with SB and he said gangs of trainspotters were a nightmare for them to assess as chatting away in their own dialect whilst kitted-out in big parkas/anoraks with plenty of deep pockets to hide things in, rucksacks full of bulky items (flask of bovril, cheese & pickle sandwiches, Ian Allan ABC, etc.) and got very excited when they saw a train - a sight SB guys thought was fairly frequent when actually travelling on one

It's obvious Osborne didn't wish to travel in 'pleb' Class then.

Car maker Ford is to close two UK plants with the loss of at least 1,300 jobs.

But we all knew that Ford have not wanted to build cars and vans in this country for many years now .

(25/10/2012 11:35)wirralbus Wrote: [ -> ]Car maker Ford is to close two UK plants with the loss of at least 1,300 jobs.

But we all knew that Ford have not wanted to build cars and vans in this country for many years now .

I knew the Southampton Transit factory was doomed, but where is the other one scheduled for closure?

Latest GDP figures published this morning.

The 1% growth posted for third quarter (July/Aug/Sept) was artificially boosted by two short-term factors: the Olympic Games, which fell in July and August, and the bounce-back from June's extra bank holiday for the diamond jubilee.

ALL income from Olympics tickets was counted towards economic output in the third quarter, whenever it was spent (I paid for my tickets to the football back in March), and the ONS believes ticket sales alone may have added 0.2% to GDP.

In the second quarter of the year, when growth declined by 0.4%, the ONS said output had been depressed by the extra bank holiday cutting the number of working days, and could be up to 0.5% higher in the third quarter as a result.

Therefore, ACTUAL growth was probably only about 0.3% - way below what is needed (0.8%) per quarter for a modern industrail economy just to 'stand still' and absorb efficiency savings on production costs.

No wonder Tory MPs are still walking around with long faces as the number of public sector job losses and spending cuts will really start to accelerate from this quarter, taking £billions out of the UK economy that the private sector is unlikely to replace by way of growth in output.

The time that even the backwoods Tories accept that its time for George to spend more time with his Trust Funds is approaching.

Whom ever is Chancellor be it Conservative , Liberal or Labour will have the same problems to try and stimulate the Economy .

There is hope from today and that is something to grasp hold of. GDP is up with unemployment and inflation both down. Instead of moaning, I'll say it's at least a more positive situation.