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Is the new 2 the old first bus 2?

No it isnt the old 2 left Ellesmere Port chester bound a different way and came out into Whitby up Underwood Drive i think by the side of a well known pub.

(28/06/2012 12:09)P493 MBY Wrote: [ -> ]According to the training session Arriva gave to their drivers, the new number 2 takes the exact same amount of time to get to Ellesmere Port as it follows the same route as the 401, then does a 3 from EP to Chester.

I think its a waste of time, personally.

Cheshire West and Chester Council probably wanted both routes from Chester to Ellesmere Port covered by this QBP , it really is hard to decide which route should have been the one to go to Liverpool and which one to terminate at Ellesmere Port .

The decision probably fell to how much running time each route took to get from Chester to Ellesmere Port and back and whether it was possible to be done with one vehicle returning in 60 mins with adequate lay over , so not requiring a pvr of 3.

(28/06/2012 12:09)P493 MBY Wrote: [ -> ]According to the training session Arriva gave to their drivers, the new number 2 takes the exact same amount of time to get to Ellesmere Port as it follows the same route as the 401, then does a 3 from EP to Chester.

I think its a waste of time, personally.

I agree, it's just another way of cutting costs on behalf of First in one way with Arriva being landed to take on their route.

(28/06/2012 13:25)R557 ABA Wrote: [ -> ]

(28/06/2012 12:09)P493 MBY Wrote: [ -> ]According to the training session Arriva gave to their drivers, the new number 2 takes the exact same amount of time to get to Ellesmere Port as it follows the same route as the 401, then does a 3 from EP to Chester.

I think its a waste of time, personally.

I agree, it's just another way of cutting costs on behalf of First in one way with Arriva being landed to take on their route.

In this day and age cost cutting unfortunately is the way forward , the 401 was only part of an original carve up of routes that started with Merseybus going into Cheshire in the 1990's before then it was all Crosville which became First .

I make the Wirral QBP losses as follows: the 1 corridor from 7 buses an hour to 6; the 471/2 corridor from 9 buses per hour to 6. Arriva's frequencies stay the same on the 471/472, but go down considerably from every 20 minutes to every 40 on the 1/2.

Once again, very poor indeed. Merseytravel continue their apparent quest to ruin the bus services of Merseyside in fine form here.

The QBP routes 1 , 471 and 472 will incur delays due to Liverpool - Chester bike ride on the 8th July .

With the Liverpool-Chester, and Chester-Blacon, routes being QBPs, it should not be a problem if First sell their stakes in these to Arriva. Then they could sell their wholly-owned routes in the area to a 3rd party such as Avon Buses or Rotala.

I had not got around to checking how frequent the 82 and 86 group of routes are now. I did value riding a Stagecoach Enviro300 on route 10a with an Arriva North West Daysaver in January!

(30/06/2012 19:34)Metroline1511 Wrote: [ -> ]With the Liverpool-Chester, and Chester-Blacon, routes being QBPs, it should not be a problem if First sell their stakes in these to Arriva. Then they could sell their wholly-owned routes in the area to a 3rd party such as Avon Buses or Rotala.

what is the point? rotala dont run round here and avon only have 1 route in chester. why dont you be realistic and say gha/helms? makes better sense.

Rotala run in Preston - its not that far realistically.