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The Greater Manchester Combined Authority has launched another constatulation about the future of the buses in Greater Manchester and there is a route list in the document which I have found very interesting has a number of the recent changes to the network looks set to be reversed under these new proposals.

Manchester Routes

Manchester to Brookhouse/Cadishead
Manchester City Centre - Eccles - Brookhouse
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Centre - Cadishead
Manchester City Centre - Salford Royal Hospital - Cadishead

Routes via Northenden & Wythenshawe
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Sale
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Timperley
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Wythenshawe
Manchester City Centre - Wythenshawe - Wythenshawe Hospital
Manchester City Centre - Wythenshawe - Manchester Airport

Routes to Withington
Manchester City Centre - Withington
Manchester City Centre - Withington - Airport

Routes to East and West Didsbury and Onwards
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Reddish
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Woodford
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - University - East Didsbury
Manchester City Centre - Univerisity - West Didsbury
Manchester City Centre - West Didsbury

Routes via Moston
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Higher Blackley
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Alkrington
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Crumpsall
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Middleton
Manchester City Centre - NMGH - Middleton
Manchester - Greengate

Routes via Middleton & Routes to Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Heywood
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Norden
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Chadderton - Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Shaw - Rochdale

Routes to Flixton/Partington
Manchester City Centre - Hulme - Stretford - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Davyhulme - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Urmston - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Urmston - Flixton - Partington
Manchester City Centre - Stretford - Urmston - Partington

Routes to Stockport and Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - University - Stockport - Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - Stockport - Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - Longsight - Green End - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - Reddish - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - Ladybarn - Stockport

Circulars
Manchester City Centre - Spinningfields Circular
Manchester City Centre - Victoria Circular
Manchester City Centre - NMGH Circular
Piccadilly - Victoria Circular

Routes to Tameside
Manchester City Centre - Hyde - Hattersley
Manchester City Centre - Dane Bank - Denton
Manchester City Centre - Denton - Gee Cross
Manchester City Centre - Town Lane - Gee Cross
Manchester City Centre - Droylsden - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Clayton - Droylsden - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Littlemoss - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Clayton - Hartshead - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Openshaw - Ashton - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Dukinfield - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Audenshaw - Dukinfield

Routes to Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Old Trafford - Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Bar - Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Centre

Routes to Altrincham/Sale
Manchester City Centre - Sale - Altrincham

Routes via Salford areas
Manchester City Centre - Salford Shopping Centre - Swinton
Manchester City Centre - Eccles - Worsley
Manchester City Centre - Walkden - Logistics North

Routes to Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Little Hulton - Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Little Hulton - Farnworth
Manchester City Centre - Farnworth - Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Pendlebury - Bolton

Routes toward Oldham & Hollinwood
Manchester City Centre - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Oldham - Rushcroft
Manchester City Centre - Newton Heath - Hollinwood
Manchester City Centre - Failsworth - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Uppermill - Carrcote
Manchester - Oldham - Uppermill - Standage

Routes to Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Alexandra Park - Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Brook's Bar - Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Chorlton - Sale

Routes to Bury
Manchester City Centre - Pilsworth - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Prestwich - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Unsworth - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Radcliffe - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Whitefield - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Higher Broughton - Simister

Cross City Routes & Leigh Services
Manchester City Centre - Leigh - Bryn
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Tyldesley - Leigh
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Tyldesley - Atherton
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Langley
Salford Quays - Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury

Is this an aspiration for the routes in and out of the city centre, meaning Arriva's 263 or Stagecoach's X50 would remain exactly how they are or is this what they are proposing would replace the existing routes as part of a franchise system?

The one thing that's obvious from that list is all routes start and end in Greater Manchester. There's nothing like the 184 Huddersfield-Manchester on that list.

So looks like there is no plan to re-introduce a direct service to Wigan (only town of reasonable size not connected to Manchester by bus). Also as Knutstransport has said, no mention of cross boundary services.

(02/12/2020 17:14)knutstransport Wrote: [ -> ]Is this an aspiration for the routes in and out of the city centre, meaning Arriva's 263 or Stagecoach's X50 would remain exactly how they are or is this what they are proposing would replace the existing routes as part of a franchise system?

The one thing that's obvious from that list is all routes start and end in Greater Manchester. There's nothing like the 184 Huddersfield-Manchester on that list.

I think these are the routes proposed to replace the existing routes as part of the franchise system. With the 184 it looks like it being curtailed to Standage but that might be a loop up Huddersfield road and down standage road.

I will get rest of the routes up later tonight as this is only the city centre routes I have collated together with Bury, Bolton, Rochdale, Middleton, Oldham and Tameside still to come. I have not bothered reading all the 100-page document has it full of waffle and jargon.

It would be good if you could edit the OP to add the consultation link so people can comment on it.

How I would change it

Manchester Routes

Manchester to Brookhouse/Cadishead
Manchester City Centre - Eccles - Brookhouse
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Centre - Cadishead
Manchester City Centre - Salford Royal Hospital - Cadishead

How come running buses past Eccles? turn buses at Eccles and try push Metrolink for people past Eccles by using a low cost small bus Eccles local bus network


Routes via Northenden & Wythenshawe
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Sale
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Timperley
Manchester City Centre - Northenden - Wythenshawe
Manchester City Centre - Wythenshawe - Wythenshawe Hospital
Manchester City Centre - Wythenshawe - Manchester Airport

Same again lots of buses running into Manchester that could just feed into Metrolink with just 1 route going into Manchester. with you ramping that up at peak.

Routes to Withington
Manchester City Centre - Withington
Manchester City Centre - Withington - Airport

Maybe Manchester to Withington should be pulled with the universities running own network as fares should go up to full price as it would not be right to offer cheap fares.

Routes to East and West Didsbury and Onwards
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Reddish
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Woodford
Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - University - East Didsbury
Manchester City Centre - Univerisity - West Didsbury
Manchester City Centre - West Didsbury

Lots of the 42 routes should be moved onto 50 route with same as the 43 with Manchester to Univerisity -Didsbury be run by the universities

Routes via Moston
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Higher Blackley
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Alkrington
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Crumpsall
Manchester City Centre - Moston - Middleton
Manchester City Centre - NMGH - Middleton
Manchester - Greengate

not much you can do with this area

Routes via Middleton & Routes to Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Heywood
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Norden
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Chadderton - Rochdale
Manchester City Centre - Shaw - Rochdale

I would also add a Manchester City Centre to Chadderton then Oldham and would drop Royton to Rochdale and would add Oldham to Middleton then Salford

Routes to Flixton/Partington
Manchester City Centre - Hulme - Stretford - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Davyhulme - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Urmston - Flixton
Manchester City Centre - Urmston - Flixton - Partington
Manchester City Centre - Stretford - Urmston - Partington

Routes to Stockport and Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - University - Stockport - Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - Stockport - Hazel Grove
Manchester City Centre - Longsight - Green End - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - Reddish - Stockport
Manchester City Centre - Ladybarn - Stockport

Circulars
Manchester City Centre - Spinningfields Circular
Manchester City Centre - Victoria Circular
Manchester City Centre - NMGH Circular
Piccadilly - Victoria Circular

Routes to Tameside
Manchester City Centre - Hyde - Hattersley
Manchester City Centre - Dane Bank - Denton
Manchester City Centre - Denton - Gee Cross
Manchester City Centre - Town Lane - Gee Cross
Manchester City Centre - Droylsden - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Clayton - Droylsden - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Littlemoss - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Clayton - Hartshead - Ashton
Manchester City Centre - Openshaw - Ashton - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Dukinfield - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Stalybridge
Manchester City Centre - Audenshaw - Dukinfield

Routes to Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Old Trafford - Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Bar - Trafford Centre
Manchester City Centre - Trafford Centre

the buses to Trafford Centre should be run down to try move people to Metrolink

Routes to Altrincham/Sale
Manchester City Centre - Sale - Altrincham

Routes via Salford areas
Manchester City Centre - Salford Shopping Centre - Swinton
Manchester City Centre - Eccles - Worsley
Manchester City Centre - Walkden - Logistics North

Routes to Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Little Hulton - Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Little Hulton - Farnworth
Manchester City Centre - Farnworth - Bolton
Manchester City Centre - Pendlebury - Bolton

Routes toward Oldham & Hollinwood
Manchester City Centre - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Oldham - Rushcroft
Manchester City Centre - Newton Heath - Hollinwood
Manchester City Centre - Failsworth - Oldham
Manchester City Centre - Uppermill - Carrcote
Manchester - Oldham - Uppermill - Standage

Most buses turned at Oldham or Hollingwood to feed into metrolink with a Manchester to Oldham bus every 30 mins each route with more peak buses

Routes to Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Alexandra Park - Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Brook's Bar - Chorlton
Manchester City Centre - Chorlton - Sale

Routes to Bury
Manchester City Centre - Pilsworth - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Prestwich - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Unsworth - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Radcliffe - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Whitefield - Bury
Manchester City Centre - Higher Broughton - Simister

Cross City Routes & Leigh Services
Manchester City Centre - Leigh - Bryn
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Tyldesley - Leigh
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Tyldesley - Atherton
MRI - Manchester City Centre - Middleton - Langley
Salford Quays - Manchester City Centre - East Didsbury
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Here are the routes proposed for Leigh & Wigan

Leigh Area Services

Higher Folds - Leigh - Wigan
Leigh - Golborne - Wigan
Leigh - Castle Hill - Hindley - Wigan
Leigh - Hindley - Wigan
Leigh - Boothstown - Trafford Centre
Leigh - Boothstown - Bolton
Leigh - Middlebrook - Bolton
Leigh - Hag Fold - Atherton
Leigh - Atherton - Bolton
Leigh - Atherton - Hag Fold
Leigh - Atherton - Westhoughton - Horwich
Leigh - Crankwood
Leigh - Tamar
Leigh - Westleigh

Leigh Hospital Services
Leigh Infirmary - Leigh Sports Village
Leigh - Tyldesley - Royal Bolton Hospital

Leigh Circulars
Leigh - Tydlesley Circular
Leigh - New Hall Farm - Tydlesley Circular
Leigh - Landside Circular
Leigh - Lowton Circular
Leigh - Pennington Circular
Leigh - Pennington - Lowton Circular


Leigh - Manchester Services
Bryn - Leigh - Manchester City Centre
Leigh - Tyldesley - Manchester City Centre - MRI

Wigan Area Services
Wigan - Leigh - Higher Folds
Wigan - Golborne - Leigh
Wigan - Hindley - Castle Hill - Leigh
Wigan - Hindley - Leigh
Wigan - Westhoughton - Bolton
Wigan - Westhoughton - Bolton (Verint)
Wigan - Middlebrook - Bolton
Wigan - Horwich - Bolton
Wigan - Shevington Vale
Wigan - Platt Bridge
Wigan - New Springs
Wigan - Ashton in Makerfield - Ashton Heath
Wigan - Standish
Wigan - Boothstown - Trafford Centre[/u]

Wigan Circulars
Wigan - Shevington Moor Circular
Wigan - Standish Circular
Wigan - Castle Hill Circular
Wigan - Beech Hill Circular
Wigan - Kitt Green Circular
Wigan - Highfield Grange Circular

The document is here if anyone wants to read it: https://greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/medi...cument.pdf. Details and survey are here: https://www.gmconsult.org/strategy-team/...sultation/

I have a feeling the list of routes is just the existing routes in Greater Manchester, probably from around the time bus franchising was first proposed. Probably around end of 2019.

It would suggest that some of the cross-county routes would come under the franchising system while others wouldn't. I would have thought that even though the Greater Manchester section of the route is mentioned, the services would continue outside of the region to their current destination (certainly would be surprised if they terminated the 184 at the border, as there would be no easy way of turning buses around without going into West Yorkshire). I think it's a case of that if the service is operated from a depot within Greater Manchester and/or is not funded by another authority (e.g. Cheshire East Council, Lancashire County Council etc), it will be included in the franchising proposals.

The cross-county routes mentioned:

• 84/184: Huddersfield - Standedge - Oldham - Manchester (84)
• 100: Warrington - Cadishead - Manchester
• 237: Glossop - Hollingworth - Stalybridge - Ashton-under-Lyne
• 341: Glossop - Broadbottom - Hattersley - Hyde
• 358: Hayfield - Strines - Marple - Stockport
• 360: Hayfield - Disley - Hazel Grove - Stockport
• 362: Chorley - Standish - Wigan
• 535: Belmont - Horrocks Fold - Bolton
  

The cross-county routes not mentioned:

• 1: Blackburn - Darwen - Bolton
• 5/5A: Warrington - Lymm - Altrincham
• 8A: Chorley - Blackrod
• 19: Warrington - Croft - Culcheth - Leigh
• 22: Warrington - Newton-le-Willows - Ashton-in-Makerfield
• 22A: Warrington - Newton-le-Willows - Wigan
• 28/28A/28E: Warrington - Birchwood - Culcheth - Leigh
• 34: St Helens - Newton-le-Willows - Leigh
• 88: Macclesfield - Wilmslow - Altrincham
• 113: Preston - Leyland - Wigan
• 125: Royal Preston Hospital - Preston - Chorley - Bolton
• 156: St Helens - Garswood - Ashton-in-Makerfield
• 157: Billinge - Ashton-in-Makerfield
• 199: Buxton - Hazel Grove - Stockport - Airport
• 273: Rawtenstall - Ramsbottom - Bolton
• 320: St Helens - Ashton-in-Makerfield - Wigan
• 352: St Helens - Orrell - Wigan
• 352: Holmfirth - Greenfield - Uppermill
• 357: Holmfirth - Greenfield - Ashton-under-Lyne
• 360: Warrington - Newton-le-Willows - Wigan
• 375/385: Southport - Ormskirk - Skelmersdale - Wigan
• 392/393: Macclesfield - Poynton - Stockport
• 394: Glossop - Marple - Stepping Hill Hospital
• 395: Skelmersdale - Orrell Post - Wigan
• 464: Accrington-Rochdale
• 481: Blackburn - Rawtenstall - Bury
• 483: Burnley - Rawtenstall - Bury
• 587: Halifax - Ripponden - Rochdale
• 589: Todmoden - Rochdale
• 590: Halifax - Todmorden - Rochdale
• 602: Newton-le-Willows - Ashton-in-Makerfield
• R3/R13 - Wallbank - Whitworth - Rochdale
• TA1/TA2: Darwen - Harwood/Bury
• X41: Accrington - Ramsbottom - Manchester
• X43: Burnley - Rawtenstall - Manchester
• X56/X57: Sheffield (X57) - Glossop - Manchester
  

(02/12/2020 20:35)SF07 Wrote: [ -> ]The document is here if anyone wants to read it: https://greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/medi...cument.pdf. Details and survey are here: https://www.gmconsult.org/strategy-team/...sultation/

I have a feeling the list of routes is just the existing routes in Greater Manchester, probably from around the time bus franchising was first proposed. Probably around end of 2019.

Yes, this looks like the list that was published in the consultation document in Autumn 2019, I have a copy of that document and at a quick look it is identical. I think it is a list of all services to be included in the scheme as they were in 2019.

Always astounds me that there is always more Tameside routes than Oldham routes, considering Oldham is the biggest town in the conurbation.