(06/03/2022 03:16)60301 Wrote: [ -> ]Replacing PG04WGP, PG04WGY and a third double decker that have been sold to Warrington's Own Buses. A few other older double deckers have/are leaving the Vision fleet too.
Two of the new deckers are tracking as LK58EDP and EDR (CZS is showing as LK58EDR) so not sure if these 58 plates have joined the fleet or not.
Dennis Dart LX06 EZV and Optare Solo KX06 TYF have been withdrawn due to reaching the 15 year age limit for contracts, although may possibly still be used for staff shuttle/meal break/route training vehicles.
Enviro 200s LK07 BDU and YX11 AEM are withdrawn (temporarily or permanently) due to accident damage after RTC incidents in December and January.
EZV was in PVS Barnsley today.
(03/03/2022 21:57)ant17612 Wrote: [ -> ]New arrivals reported here are former Go-Ahead London Enviro400s LX57CKC & LX57CKD, former Metroline Enviro400s LK08FMV & LK08FMX as well as former Tower Transit VDL DB300 Wright Gemini 2 LK09CZS.
I think the Enviro400s were reported elsewhere erroneously as they haven't been noted joining the fleet.
(21/03/2022 22:06)andyrigby2410 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the Enviro400s were reported elsewhere erroneously as they haven't been noted joining the fleet.
They received a load of London Enviro200’s on Sunday. All still in London condition so presuming they will convert. Possibly for their tender gains next month.
(06/03/2022 03:16)60301 Wrote: [ -> ]Two of the new deckers are tracking as LK58EDP and EDR (CZS is showing as LK58EDR) so not sure if these 58 plates have joined the fleet or not.
EDP and EDR are now at the depot but are still awaiting destination/ticketing equipment and (I think) still need single door conversion too. They've been out as staff shuttles a couple of times but not in service yet. EDP, EDR and CZS are all ex-Tower Transit.
(21/03/2022 22:12)Mayneway Wrote: [ -> ]They received a load of London Enviro200’s on Sunday. All still in London condition so presuming they will convert.
Three so far (Enviro200s YX61FYB, FYF and FYN) with more due I believe. Also all ex-Tower Transit which, along with the 11/61 plate double deckers bought by Vision, Tyrers, and Atlantic Travel over the last few months, increases the percentage of the TT fleet now based in and around Bolton.
These three will probably replace LK07BEY (which was withdrawn a while ago), LK07BDU (which is accident damaged) and LK07ELJ (which is now apparently only a spare/staff bus).
(21/03/2022 22:12)Mayneway Wrote: [ -> ]Possibly for their tender gains next month.
Do we know what they've gained apart from the 94? I see a lot of the Bolton routes are up for renewal too.
(22/03/2022 04:25)60301 Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know what they've gained apart from the 94? I see a lot of the Bolton routes are up for renewal too.
There was a list posted (possibly on here) which suggested they had won some other bits.
I’m wondering whether they will receive the 3 TFGM hybrids with the 94 contract.
(22/03/2022 12:14)Mayneway Wrote: [ -> ]There was a list posted (possibly on here) which suggested they had won some other bits.
I’m wondering whether they will receive the 3 TFGM hybrids with the 94 contract.
Vision already have 10 of the TfGM hybrids (YJ60 KCC / KCG / KCK / KCN / KCO / KCZ / YJ11 ENT / ENU / YJ61 JGF / JGO). A driver who I know there told me that they were all being returned to TfGM at the end of April. Something to do with the Optare contract and a refurbishment program.
This could be another reason for the new Tower Transit investments.
As for tenders, I know there was talk of the new evening number 1 from Bolton to Egerton (which, if Vision get, would be a like for like replacement for the withdrawn evening 533). There is also the possibility of the daytime 516 which is likely to be tendered after Diamond stop their commercial service. But Vision are also losing a lot of services due to withdrawing all their commercial routes (except the daytime 527) and changes to associated tenders (eg as they're cancelling the daytime commercial 595, TfGM are withdrawing the subsidised evening/Sunday trips and replacing all journeys with the re-routed 583).
There must be
something in the pipeline though because I can't see Vision willingly losing so much work (and risking losing more with the Bolton routes up for renewal too) without some sort of backup plan/hidden agenda.
(22/03/2022 21:31)60301 Wrote: [ -> ]Vision already have 10 of the TfGM hybrids (YJ60 KCC / KCG / KCK / KCN / KCO / KCZ / YJ11 ENT / ENU / YJ61 JGF / JGO). A driver who I know there told me that they were all being returned to TfGM at the end of April. Something to do with the Optare contract and a refurbishment program.
This could be another reason for the new Tower Transit investments.
As for tenders, I know there was talk of the new evening number 1 from Bolton to Egerton (which, if Vision get, would be a like for like replacement for the withdrawn evening 533). There is also the possibility of the daytime 516 which is likely to be tendered after Diamond stop their commercial service. But Vision are also losing a lot of services due to withdrawing all their commercial routes (except the daytime 527) and changes to associated tenders (eg as they're cancelling the daytime commercial 595, TfGM are withdrawing the subsidised evening/Sunday trips and replacing all journeys with the re-routed 583).
There must be something in the pipeline though because I can't see Vision willingly losing so much work (and risking losing more with the Bolton routes up for renewal too) without some sort of backup plan/hidden agenda.
That’s interesting regarding the Tfgm hybrids. They are all in poor condition anyway, and I can’t remember whether they meet Euro 6 standards or not, most are certainly not any longer hybrids anyway.
It be interesting what their plan is with franchising as currently they have no routes within 18 months unless they been told they are safe. so buying lots of ex London buses is a big gamble unless they plan to flip them by selling them on if things don't goto plan.
