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This page contains all of your thoughts on Favourite buses etc, and also my own! - Please enjoy!!!! - Thanks to everyone who everyone who has sent info in to make this page complete!!!
Myself!

Favourite Bus Type(s)

Dennis Darts (of course!), but excluding Marshall Capital bodied Dennis Dart SLF's, but even they are growing on me now! I also do like Northern Counties Palatine II bodied Volvo Olympians, and also anything articulated such as Volvo B10LA's and B7LA.

Favourite Operator(s)

I am actually to some extent a fan of FirstGroup as they have a cool interior and logo! Also I like Halton Transport as they buy new buses EVERY year!

Favourite Livery(s)

Again FirstGroup Barbie livery is good, but I do also like Arriva, MTL, Halton Transport and Supertravel!!!

Favourite Actual Bus

I think if I was asked to preserve any actual bus operating in Merseyside, I would probably try to preserve Halton 1 R712 MEW, as I am a little obsessed with the number one! After that if would of course have to be Arriva 7675 V675 DVU. This is ironic though as they are both Marshall Darts SLF's, but that is what I mean when I said that they are growing on me!

Least Favourite Bus Type(s)

Possibly the worst modern buses about, although pioneering, must be the ex MTL Neoplan's, as Arriva has had one very big job trying to get them back into service,and even MTL struggled. I think this may have a lot to do with them being substandard, but considering how new they are they shouldn't be that unreliable! The worst body type for a particular vehicle is probably the East Lancs EL2000 bodied Dart, as this body just wrecks the Dart chassis as the body is so bad! The Marshall Capital is similar, in that no matter how new they are, they rattle, but even they are good by comparison, as at least some seats have good legroom!

Least Favourite Livery

This has to be red/yellow/blue North Western livery, as although it looks good when clean, once it is dirty, it just tends to look awful, and always did look awful on East Lancs EL2000 Darts.


DavBassPlayer

Hello BTOP's (Bussey Type Of People) here are my Favourite busses... Now this may be a little sketchy but with the help of Steve Dave I should be able to get through the questionnaire.

Favourite Bus Type(s)

My fav buses have to got to be the nice new Myllenniums... I think they look really cool especially with that front. I also quite like Titans (Yes I know that they are old) but they are big and roomy and smelly... They are the type of buses that my mum used to take me on when I was a kid in London.

Favourite Operator(s)

My fav operator is probably Arriva... They are kinda cool 'cos they do not drive me past me like CMT do... (Take note CMT I am getting ANNOYED).

Favourite Livery(s)

My fav livery is again Arriva's... This is mainly due to fact that me and my "Other Half" had an argument about the colours used... Some may remember this as I asked for ya'll help...


(Al)an Kitching!

Favourite Bus Type(s)

* Double Deckers

Considering Merseyside Northern Counties Palatine 2/Volvo Olympian's (especially the ex-Millennium Fleet 3309 - 3337). Historically the experimental '00**' MCW Metrobuses, Dennis Dominators, Volvo Ailsa's and in particular the ECW (0030 - 0034/0037 - 0041)& Alexander R-type (0064 - 0068) Leyland Olympian's (that were based at Green Lane) MPTE bought in the 1980's. Also (I know the bodies were rubbish) the Willowbrook bodied Leyland Atlantean's (1843 - 1872) at Green Lane in the 1980's as these were part of my growing up etc, the Leyland Olympian's, MK2 Metrobuses, Scania N-113DRB's & Volvo B-10M Citybuses, Fareway, Liverline, Merseybus & North Western bought in 1988/89, ex-London Leyland Titan's, NBC-standard ECW/Bristol VR's & Leyland Olympian's and the ex-MTL-London Alexander R-type Scania N-113DRB's used by MTL-Fareway and Gillmoss in the late '90's. However most 'low-floor' deckers (including East Lancs) are pretty cool especially LMS's Plaxton President/Dennis Trident!

* Single Deckers

Wright bodied Volvo B-10B's, L's and BLE's and Scania L-94UB/113's & the ex-Liverbus Northern Counties Paladin/B-10B's (apart from the interior vandalism - get rid of the Plastic seats!). Also the Alexander PS/Volvo B-10M's used by Stagecoach, East Lancs Myllennium/Daf SB220's, (well maintained) Leyland Lynxes, and (perhaps GTL could acquire some of the K-reg ones Trent Buses are Selling off) Optare Delta/Daf SB220's!

* Midibuses

Dennis Darts of most body types except the East Lancs EL-2000 (which I'll mention later), Daf SB120CS/Wright Cadet's, the 'newer' Volvo B-6BLE/Wright Crusader 2's and the MAN based Optare Vecta. Also the Optare Solo although its too early too make a judgment on that one yet!

Favourite Operator(s)

Currently Arriva Merseyside/North West, GTL, Halton Transport, LMS, Warrington BT and (being controversial) CMT Buses. Historically Fareway, GM Buses (including North/South), Liverbus, Liverline, Merseybus/MTL North and North Western. Outside of Merseyside Arriva Kent Thameside (for assisting me in locating ex-North Western Volvo B-10M Citybuses now used on School services), Metroline, First/Stagecoach Manchester & the Manchester independents and as I went to Uni there East Yorkshire and Stagecoach Kingston upon Hull!

Favourite Liveries

Considering Merseyside Arriva, MTL North/GTL, the last MPTE one, Liverbus, Fareway and the deregulation-era livery of North Western (and the versions used by Liverline and Bee Line). Outside Merseyside 'new'/'old' Stagecoach, FirstGroup 'Barbie', Blue Bus (Bolton), Go North East, London General, Metrobus (Orpington), Metroline, Blazefield Holdings neo-corporate one's, Trent Buses, Bullocks (Cheadle), UK North, Finglands, Green Line Coaches, 'new' Cardiff Bus, Dublin Bus, Translink (Northern Ireland), Nat-Ex and Travel West Midlands and the 1980's/90's GM Buses (including North/South), Kentish Bus, London & Country, Midland Fox, The Shires & Northumbria liveries which are long gone. The worst (and this is no disrespect!) had to be the 1930's 'retro' style Merseybus maroon used in the late 80's/early 90's as it made modern buses look 10 years older than they were and you couldn't see it in the dark!

Favourite Actual Bus(es)

Currently Northern Counties Palatine 2/Volvo Olympian 3324/0324 R324 WVR as I've used this most out of all the ex-'Millennium Fleet' Olympian's. However Northern Counties Palatine 2/Daf DB250 3607 N607 DWY, NC/Leyland Olympian 3109 H109 GEV, East Lancs/Dennis Dominator 666 G667 FKA, ECW/Leyland Olympian 600DBV 133Y, Alexander/Leyland Atlantean 3984/1984 DEM 784Y or Northern Counties Paladin/Scania L-113 1055 R255 WRJ also apply as it took me long and hard to 'hit' these vehicles! Historically probably ECW 0038 ACM 710X and Alexander R-type 0066 A316 GLV Leyland Olympian's.

Favourite Route(s)

Probably East Prescot Road corridor to Liverpool routes (i.e. 8,9,10 etc.). I also like routes 6, 7, 12/13, 14(incB/C), 15, 17C/D/217, 18A, 30B, 78/79, 82, 86, 284, 300, 311, 341, 345, 395, 'cross-river' and (before the scallies went mental) Kirkby - Liverpool services. Historically GM Buses 34/320 to Wigan/Manchester (I had much fun on £2 Daysavers in Manchester in the early 90's) and outside Merseyside the Wilmslow Road 'student' corridor & Arriva routes in Manchester, the London scene (especially Metroline route 271 Highgate - Liverpool Street, which used the Liverpool registered L-reg Northern Counties Palatine 2/Volvo Olympian's new to London Suburban Bus (aka Liverbus)) and as I went to Uni there services via the Beverley/Cottingham Road and 'Avenues' corridors in Hull.

Worst Bus(es)

Has to be the East Lancs EL-2000 bodied Dennis Dart's North Western bought in the mid 1990's. They're cramped, badly designed/built, ugly and too small for the routes they operate on and if you compare it with an equivalent Plaxton Pointer you'd think they were totally different buses even though they share the same chassis - Arriva NW please find some way of getting rid of them from Bootle soon! Also I'm not keen on the Optare Excel and 'early' Volvo B-6 due to the excessive vibration these vehicles have when their engines are on 'tickover'

Worst Operator(s)

The one which springs to mind most is City Fleet who began operations between Thornton/Netherton to Liverpool using 'unsafe vehicles' and eventually had their O-licence suspended for maintenance problems/unsafe vehicles. Others could include Topping's, Village Group before the MTL take-over and CMT Buses in its early days.


Dave Root

Favourite vehicle type

Leyland Leopard (especially with Plaxton Elite bodywork)

Runner up favourite vehicle types

Atlantean, Routemaster, Titan, Olympian, Tiger, DAF MB

Favourite All Time Operator

Barton Transport (Nottingham)

Favourite Current Operators

Aintree Coachline & Halton Transport

Favourite route

"Snowdon Sherpa" Betws-y-Coed to Llanberis

Favourite liveries

Barton Transport, South Notts, Ribble (crimson)

Favourite individual vehicles

ONN 294M, RRN 428, ECK 865E, DEM 778Y


Tim Moss

Favourite Bus Types

Leyland National, Volvo B6BLE, Mini Pointer Darts.

Favourite Operator(s)

Lancashire United Transport (the original,. GM Buses, First Manchester.

Favourite livery(ies)

GM Buses - Orange, White GM Buses - Orange, White & Brown. First Manchester - Tomato Soup. yep

Worst Buses
ALL Breadvans!


Barry McGuire

Favourite Bus

Well since I got into buses back in the early 80's, I guess I used to like the old Daimler Fleetlines (3001 CKC 301 - 3050 CKC 350L), that used to be at Laird St, nowadays, I like most modern stuff, Dart's in particular, especially ALX200 and Plaxton Pointer ones, also anything Wright bodied gets a "thumbs up"!.

Favourite Route

I guess anything heading up to the Crosby/Formby/Southport area, 284 especially for scenic quality, there's a route which would suit some nice new low floor "deckers".

Favourite Livery

Well currently I like Arriva as it looks smart and modern (other people may say boring!!), but I used to like the old Merseyside PTE Wirral division blue/cream livery.


John Cooper

Favourite Buses

Leyland PD2/3 with 57-seat highbridge bodywork by Leyland as supplied to Birkenhead Corporation in 1951. Closely followed by Bristol KSW/ECW highbridge combination.

Favourite Livery

Blue and Cream of Birkenhead Municipal Transport. Closely followed by grey over dark blue used by Hardings before being sold to Speke Coaches.

Favourite operator(s)

Birkenhead and Crosville Motor Services [when painted Tilling Green]. Never did like the L.C.P.T. and later P.T.E. standard it seemed cheap compared with Birkenhead and Wallasey and the antique charm of The Primrose Green fleet never caught my imagination.

Favourite Modern Buses

I regard FHF 451 as the beginning of the end of individual bus design even though I was delighted to ride in her between the Bus and Tram show and Rock Ferry Depot. Didn't like the VR when they were new but now delight in the chance to ride Crosville's 608 usually on the X8.


Simon Ackers

Favourite Bus Types, not necessarily in any order:

Gillmoss Palatines 0309 - 0337 (I'll never recognise them as 3309, etc.)
Endurance bodied B10Bs (Emphasis on the Endurance bit, Renown body isn't a patch on them) Titans (single door conversions - Beasts!!!!)

Favourite operator & livery:

I'll stay loyal and say the 19. Also possibly the 81, that used to be a good run until they put the DAFs on it. Also, the 284.

Worst type of bus:

Anything from East Lancs, or anything that's a DAF


Andy Jackson

FAVOURITE BUS

Definitely the Park Royal-bodied Leyland Atlantean AN68/1Rs that Ribble and North Western operated between 1974-1996. They operated the Crosby routes with distinction.

FAVOURITE OPERATOR

Merseybus during the first few years of operation. They hounded North Western out of Crosby with a fair few route innovations making the area their own. No Stagecoach tactics to be seen!

FAVOURITE LIVERY

The final M.P.T.E. livery, after donkeys years of messing about!

WORST BUS

North Western's Mercedes Benz 709Ds, new after deregulation. You'd take your life in your hands going on them!

WORST OPERATOR

A little known operator called Eagle Coaches. They gained the first Merseytravel contract for the half-hourly evening and Sunday route 209 Crosby-Fazakerley back in 1992 only for Liverbus to take it over after a month after little or no operation in that time!

WORST LIVERY

Toppings Coaches horrendous orange and blue set up. Talk about scaring the children!


Jack Sumner

Favourite Bus Type

VDL Cadet or any low floor double deckers

Worst Bus Type

Leyland National

Favourite Bus Companies

Jim Stones of Leigh Arriva and Ogdens Travel

Worst Bus Company

Supertravel

Favourite Liveries

Arriva and Ogdens Travel

Worst Liveries

Supertravel and Stagecoach Stripes

Favourite Actual Bus

Y46 ABA Plaxton President from Arriva Bolton

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Thanks for this article must go to the following:

DavBassPlayer
Alan Kitching
Dave Root
Tim Moss
Barry McGuire
John Cooper
Simon Ackers
Andy Jackson
Jack Sumner
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